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History is written by the victors - or is it? The ancient history of the Jewish people seems to me to have a very important twist. As I have written, Jewish history tells us that when King David conquered Jebus and made it his capital Jerusalem, he conciliated with a cult from Mount Zion - and the question is, did he rule them or did they rule him? The latter seems more plausible to me if we are to consider the behaviour of the most powerful Jews in history - the Zionists. How many Australians understand what being a Zionist actually means - I had no idea until I researched their history provoked by the Nazi methods of new Israel in their demand for someone else's land - supposedly to regain their ancient glory? Or supremacy as their God commanded them? In my simple terms, I would say that the Zionists' actions are the counterpart of history's worst exponents of the policy of absolute brutality to achieve a certain goal and claim that "the end justifies the means". Fair dinkum. To follow this policy, history seems to record that the aggressor first tests the weakness of the first opposition before they exercise their intentions. That certainly looks like the case in Palestine. After my Naval service I gained employment by an Oil Company who sent me to Bahrein to learn a certain type of fractionation. I found the people very friendly and if there was to be any criticism, it would be that the education of the most ordinary citizens left a lot to be desired. They were peaceful in the extreme and happy with their society and especially with their religious beliefs. The latter seemed to be "live and let live". They were not terrorists - they were just cursed with land and resources that others demanded. We should not underestimate the ultimate disasters that the Zionist invasion of Arab territory must eventually cause. Well might we say that life began in Mesopotamia!
NE OUBLIE.
Posted by Ernest William at 9:44 PM
6 comments:
IDHolm said...
G'day Ern,
.. not too shabby. Looks like someone offers you 2.54cm, you take the whole 1.609km. Well done, and now a 2nd welcome - to blog ownership.
March 7, 2009 4:51 AM
IDHolm said...
G'day again.
.. since you mention "King David," I'm supposing you know about a pivotal event leading up to the arguably illegal 'establishment' of 'modern' Israel, namely the The King David Hotel bombing, which was carried out on 22 July 1946 and *murdered* 91 people and left 46 more injured. Why is this bloody criminal act so remarkable, why mention it now? Well, apart from the fact that the KD-bombing was one of, if not the actual first example of modern-day terrorism, in the background to a TV report on the recent Clinton-Net'nYahoo meeting was the motive "KD." Looked like pretty disgusting hubris to me.
March 7, 2009 5:29 AM
orana gelar said...
Welcome to the blogosphere, Ern G.
March 7, 2009 6:31 PM
Ernest William said...
G'day ID. Apparently I have made a faux pas? I have only the wish to occupy the 2.54 cms that I thought I was offered. I don't understand what is meant by "author" "blogger" or "blog ownership". I still don't understand what a blog is - it gave birth sometime while I was otherwise occupied - I think.Unfortunately I have more problems than I thought. Even my Wife is having trouble explaining the computer to me. I guess that I am just not computer literate because I have difficulty absorbing all of the ways of this forum - and there seems to be many. I have no doubt that "bloggers" understand and enjoy the extraordinary amount of available avenues? And I enjoy the ability to say what I think and would like to continue to do so. I am afraid that my Naval service and my years of shiftwork trained me with only the ability to think and reason. So with respect, I would like to continue just commenting and enjoining in debate if that is okay?
Cheers Ern G.
March 7, 2009 8:13 PM
Ernest William said...
G'day again ID. Yes I did know about the terrorist attack on the King David Hotel which was only part of the continuing "terrorist sabotage" that the Zionists used to intimidate the war-weary British and their mandate. As I understand it, when the Brits completed their mandate the Zionists immediately unilaterally declared that they were the State of Israel. I believe that only the Americans accepted them, and that doesn't surprise me. The reason that I indulged myself with some history of the Jews; Hebrews and Zionists et al was because I wondered where they got the idea that they were entitled to the Palestinian land. In my simple mind I thought they were claiming that, subsequent to the holocaust, the world owed them a living - preposterous. After research, I have satisfied myself that they have no such right and their abhorrent treatment by the Nazis has been an excuse for pity, even by the relatives of the victims. The victims have been immortalised far more than the 20 million Russians who perished. They are not the only people; class; religion or race in history that have been brutally treated and their actions in the Middle East only demonstrates that they are quite capable of the same crimes. I notice ID that many scholars and Churchmen are now putting their credibility on the line to challenge the holocaust, not that it didn't happen, but that there were more than the Jews who suffered in the same way and in the same time and for the same reason. I believe that. The irony is that the Zionist cult and its message from their God, demands that they completely wipe out certain races - even their animals. I find their attitude an insult to the modern world and their treatment of the Arabs a crime against humanity. I would like to have more to say on this subject in the future.
Cheers Ern G.
March 7, 2009 8:42 PM
Ernest William said...
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22108.htm
"As The Arabs See The Jews".
By His Majesty King Abdullah printed in the American Magazine November 1947. This is an amazing prediction of the future actions of the Zionists but was ignored by the powers that be. It is a lengthy article but well worth a read. I quote just the first paras of this brilliant man: "I am especially delighted to address an American audience, for the tragic problem of Palestine will never be solved without American understanding, American sympathy, American support. So many billions of words have been writtn about Palestine - perhaps more than on any other subject in history - that I hesitate to add to them. Yet I am compelled to do so, for I am reluctantly convinced that the world in general, and America in particular, knows almost nothing of the true case for the Arabs. We Arabs follow, perhaps far more than you think, the press of America. We are frankly disturbed to find that for every word printed on the Arab side, a thousand are printed on the Zionist side. So America is the "pinnacle of freedom"?
NE OUBLIE.
March 7, 2009 9:09 PM
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G'day, Ernest William, I understand that you search for the true answer to the question: Where did they [Zionists] get the idea that they are entitled to the Palestinian land?
ReplyDeleteI've trod that path as well, and, whilst I do not feel that I've arrived at the truth as yet, I can share a few observations I've made along the way.
First, as is usually the case with so many questions, I've come to see that the true answer is likely to reflect a high degree of complexity. I perceive a risk in oversimplification. It is a hazard, a trap to be avoided.
I think we'll find multiple factors have driven [are driving] multiple actors in various directions, all of which end up at that claimed 'entitlement'.
I see it as unlikely that the truth is, for example, simply that all Jews (or even that all Zionists) believe they have an 'entitlement' on the basis of belief in their own 'supremacy as their God commanded them'.
I would reckon on some individual and small groups of Jews (both Zionist and otherwise) doing that, but not all Jews.
No doubt we can clearly observe that some have [do] misunderstand the notion of being a 'Chosen People' and thereby see it in an ethnocentric way. Indeed, some, but not all, have claimed [do claim] that being 'chosen' they must thus be 'supreme' in some imagined (and bigoted) nationalistic pecking order. We can see claims of that kind anyday on a JPost Talkback thread.
In this respect these people are just like ethnic nationalist bigots the world over. Indeed, I've noticed that many of them taking that line on JPost Talkback are Americans, some of them 'Christian-Zionists.'
I think we'll find there are minorities within every population who think themselves 'chosen', and sometimes they're not minorities. Consider the number of Christians who believe in Supersessionism, thinking that they, as followers of Jesus, are now 'God's chosen people' and heirs to 'God's promises' to Abraham.
So, yes, there will be some who see themselves as supreme as a consequence of believing that they have been 'chosen' but let's not make the mistake of overlooking the many Jews who recognise 'correctly' (at least in line with their own dogma) what 'chosenness' entails.
You see, according to their dogma being chosen to be in a 'covenant with God' places responsibilities upon them and does not entail exclusive rewards for Jews. So, I think it would be a mistake to conclude that all Jews base their claim of 'entitlement' to 'Eretz Yisrael' upon their claim to 'chosenness.
There would be some Jews, and many Zionists basing their claim to 'Eretz Yisrael' on political Zionism, rather than religious Zionism. Let's not overlook the secular start that Zionism had. Religious Zionism plays a significant role in Israeli political life today, but it was secular Zionism that sought and succeeded in the creation of the modern State of Israel.
Ern, at present I'm searching for the seeds of political Zionism in the conditions of the shtetls of the Pale of Settlement and the ghettos of many European cities during the 18th and 19th centuries. I'm looking particularly closely at what effects stem from the wave of Slavophile nationalism in the 1870s. Have you examined this history?
ReplyDeleteIn the search for the seeds of political Zionism, I've read Theodor Herzl's works.
ReplyDeleteThere is evidence of tendancy toward Nationalism in his membership as a young man of a Burschenschaft association.
He then appears, as evidenced in his diary entries, to have been primarily motivated to Zionism by fear of what he saw when working as the Paris-based correspondent for Neue Freie Presse. He went on to write Der Judenstaat, and a few years later he was the leading spokesman for Zionism.
Some of his writing suggests Herzl saw futility in a 'mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration of Jews [into Palestine].'
Herzl certainly did concentrate his efforts on securing official legal sanction from the Ottoman authorities. It was others who led efforts to continue infiltrating.
Judging by the succession from first to second Presidents of the Zionist Organisation, from Herzl to David Wolffsohn, it looks likely there was some strengthening of influence by followers of Rabbi Dr. Isaac Rülf (who had died by the time of this transition in power with the ZO).
Wolffsohn had been Rülf's student and protege, and Rülf had been jealous of Herzl's appointment as the ZO's first President.
Understand the psychology of Rülf, and the worldview formed from it and then taken up by his followers, and we may go some way forward, I think, in our search for the true answer to the question: Where did they [Zionists] get the idea that they are entitled to the Palestinian land?
any fool can 'feel' entitled to ...
ReplyDelete.. almost anything; but exactly how and when ...
.. did it become 'acceptable' to thieve-by-mass-murder?
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G'day orana gelar,
always with all due respect, and 'only' IMHO of course, but 'accepted' it seems to have become - since until now, no-one has been able to mount an effective countervailing campaign to stop it, where 'it' is the utterly offensive IDF's almost continual mass-murder to enable theft, pillage, looting, plunder and rapine (yeah, yeah; looping as usual.)
Either we have a 'society based on (just!) law' or we don't, and since that appears *not* to be the case, then all who hypocritically claim that we do should shut their lying mouths - then wash them out with soap.
When we discuss the origin and mechanics of any Zionist entitlement *feeling*, I think (following Lakoff), that we should make it clear that however someone *feels* towards something, any and all *actions* should be both morally and legally correct. If this is not the case - and I assert that it is both immoral and illegal of the I/J/Z-plex to be murdering Palestinians in order to steal Palestinian land and water - then also, we should point out that only the worst, hardened and mentally-crippled criminals could perpetrate such foul outrages, that all those who provide any support are accessories and/or apologists to crimes of the Nuremberg scale.
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Fazit: - and cutting a long story very short, exactly what would be wrong, in the days of so-called 'free markets,' of "business is business" Jews trying to buy bits of Palestine, instead of murdering to steal them?
And if the Palestinians just don't wish to sell, surely that's their (g*d given!) right?
Three-in-a-row, yes, I know but my thoughts are developing.
ReplyDeleteAt the same time as Rülf's followers were taking control of the ZO, Zionism started to be influenced by the man named at birth Vladimir Yevgenyevich Zhabotinsky.
Ze'ev ('Wolf') Jabotinsky was a militant and became the leader of the right-wing Zionists. Later he founded Hatzohar (The Revisionist Zionists) and Betar, a 'youth movement' (to do the *dirty* work?).
In founding those organisations he was capitalising on the demands of Zionists breaking away from the infiltrationist (and later first President of the State of Israel), Chaim Weizmann.
Jabotinsky was one whose sense of 'entitlement' was based on a belief in Jewish 'supremacy as their God commanded them'. Just take a look at what the present-day Betar say about their ideology.
Then note that many of Israel's most prominent right wing politicians have been 'graduates' of Betar. Former Prime Ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir were Betar. Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livni also have Betar backgrounds.
So, to sum up my view:
ReplyDeletea) Herzl's aim was reasonable (and moral, IMHO), as he envisioned buying the land from Arabs in Palestine. He did not foresee conflict, and I think that's because he was contemplating an approach that involved buying land in Palestine (for a fair price).
b) Rülf's followers seem to have had a different view on 'means and ends' than Herzl probably did, and the took leadership of the ZO. They generally supported an infiltration strategy (i.e. steal the land in Palestine piece by piece).
c) The militant 'Wolf' Jabotinsky (and, btw, calling yourself 'Wolf" would seem to me to indicate a psychopathology) clearly held a different view on 'means and ends' than Herzl did. He started the Revisionist Zionist movement and was an advocate of a Bush-like 'bring-it-on' strategy (i.e. murder anyone who put up a resistance to their land being stolen).
Thanks for the link, IDH. I agree with you on the absolute highest priority, but not that understanding is a luxury. That's why I so often seek to understand.
ReplyDeleteI see Kovel identifies a root: Tribalism (in its second sense, as related to ethnocentrism and the ideology of nationalism).
That's a lead I'll follow.
To each his/her own, and better so. If we (you'n I, and our mates) strive to do our best (we do!) - then each should do what they're best at - and as long as we're all 'pulling in the same direction' (we are!) - then we increase the chance of success - against these miserable criminals stuffing things up so 'right-royally' - which translates, of course, to wrongly. Like the US most places (go home!), and Israel as they murder to steal - gotta stop the villains; gotta restore our democracies, we do it by exposing the truth.
ReplyDeleteThe criminal-Zionist project has failed - how could it be otherwise?
ReplyDeleteAny enterprise based on murdering-theft could only ever 'prosper' for as long as the reality could be kept hidden - which was only ever as long as the Zionists could control the opinion-makers and the opinion-conduits.
The opinion-makers include the professional propagandists - but also the politicians, pretty-well globally.
There have always been objectors, those who somehow could see through the spin - but those objectors were more or less silenced: largely by intimidation; by "Anti-Semitic!" allegations, or the more extreme "Self-Hater!" horror, say.
The opinion-conduits are the MSM (including publicly financed broadcasters), now exposed as venal and corrupt transmitters and amplifiers of filthy Zionist lies.
The secret is out; the actual perpetrators - a few, some, a significant number of the I/J/Z-plex; Israelis &/ Jewish &/ Zionists, have created an outpost, they'd like to call it a country, but - based on murder and theft as it is - it is actually an illegitimate abomination engaged in ever-more illegal actions, aggressive invasions, massacres, aka crimes of the Nuremberg class.
I mentioned intimidation, what do they threaten, one wonders, to coerce sooo many? Why are these so many coerced, so cowardly-weak?
The Zionist-perpetrators - a few, some, quite obviously a significant number - blacken the reputation of every other Jew on the planet (this is a *fact*, for if a significant number of *good* Jews ever got off their bums long enough to effectively oppose these crooks - well, work it out for yourself.)
The Zionist-perpetrators have corrupted our politicians too - they drag what we might otherwise assess as decent people down into their criminal depths - see how US presidential candidates, then as presidents if/when they make it - all grovel before the ghastly 'Israel lobby.'
And as we see, daily through our TVs, one after another - significant opinion-makers come out as apologists, significant opinion-conduits relay and amplify the pro-Zionist, criminal propaganda.
But we truth seekers who care to look have seen through it all.
The criminal-Zionist Israel is dead and in free-fall.
Yeah; 3 in a row - so wot??!
ReplyDeleteIt's difficult for me to express my anger, I just get sooo frustrated.
As I was growing up, I learned that to lie, cheat, steal - or kill - were bad things, done by bad people, and that to do any of those things would most likely get one into trouble - if not gaol, even for ever (murder.)
What then of the average Israeli?
S/he does all of these things - or has some of them done for him/her - almost on a daily basis, 60+years long now - and no end in sight (except of course, for the free-fall in my previous).
Forget no cops, that the US and Israel have crippled the UN, etc..
Q: what does that criminality do to the Israelis' humanity?
A: Humanity? - What humanity? (Ah, ha ha ha!)
(As if it were somehow funny.)
(Try it on the Gazans, say.)
G'day ID & Orana,
ReplyDeleteIMHO we are not too far apart - the only distance between us is the depth of the investigations that we are entering into.
The more I do this - while fascinated - I feel that I am missing the major point - that is the burgeoning Nazism by the Zionists of new Israel.
I am trying to settle in my own mind the positives and the opinions, beginning with the issue that fortunately began our debate.
The so-called new Israel has no right to call itself that by the patronage of the US and their power in the UN.
Apparently no one has learned from the League of Nations and Woodrow Wilson who the French then stated that he really thought he was Jesus Christ.
a) So, I am satisfied to argue with anyone regarding the false Zionist claim to the Arab territories/lands that the Zionists are illegally commondeering on either modern or ancient history or legal or moral grounds. There is just no "right" in that Zionist propaganda.
b) I believe in the intent and spirit of the UN but must concede that it's power has been sadly downsized I believe, since the break-up of the Soviet Union and the Cold War.
c) I notice the identical political moves of the US and the Zionists in their focus as to foreign policies which are a sham to say the least.
d) I believe that the growing power of the US since the beginning of the 20th century has entirely been due to their desire for war, its profits and its dominating influence. While at the same time claiming that God is with them!!!
e) The first step in curtailing the US unlimited power to do as it likes, would be to restore freedom and government control of Palestine to the Palestinians. The Jewish people who want to live in that land would have every right to do so and to pray as they wish, even as the Muslims and Christians would be doing alongside them.
The disgraceful and unforgiveable behaviour of the Zionist military over the last 40+ years has become too much, even for the pacifists.
The Zionists are the modern Warlocks - and they need to be treated as such.
The Military/Corporate of America has always been in favor of war and has slowly become the enemy of world peace since WW 2 - being the only combatant that made a profit and whose mainland suffered no abuse.
NE OUBLIE.
Yes, that's correct - it's *not* all about "Me, me, me!" ...
ReplyDeleteThere may be a few *very good* reasons why we may be 'birds of a feather' (charting a similar track); g'day Ern.
Orana gelar likes to explore "Why," and I must admit "Me too."
On any one topic, there's only one truth - but many, many possible lies. I can visualise truth vs. lies in two dimensions as being like a page of paper; the truth-points are scattered across the page like tiny specks of gold dust - with the rest the page as the 'lie-space.' If we move to three dimensions, then the golden truth-points look like the so-called 'fixed' stars (although we now know that the stars aren't really all that well fixed). Never mind that and pressing on, if we add the 4th dimension of time, then the golden truth-points now trace out parallel lines through time - those shiny, golden lines of truth are all going in exactly the same direction! Well, a bit poetic perhaps...
I have a friend who suggested that the source of some trouble could be the "Playboy" philosophy of "Me, me, me!" - but if that truly 'belonged' to Playboy, then they stole it from somewhere else - namely, from the propaganda stream (parts of that stream otherwise being known as 'public relations' and 'marketing,' other parts the filthy B, B & H lies) - the propaganda stream that threatens to swamp us - with a 'special' component trying to 'sell' exactly that "Me, me, me!" (It's not really that special... and no, that's *not* what it's all about!)
Since propaganda is a premeditated and deliberate distortion of reality, propaganda lies in the lie-space - but we are truth-seekers, so we tend to congregate around the truth-points.
A third component of why we may be charting a similar track is our compassion, and realising that we - here in _libre, Palestinians, Israelis etc. - are all in the same 'boat.'
In turn, compassionate people often call on The Enlightenment[1] to illustrate their charting - altogether, the above may partially explain why we may well be 'birds of a feather!'
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Ref(s):
[1] Principles
«The intellectual and philosophical developments of that age (and their impact in moral, social, and political reform) aspired toward more freedom for common people based on self-governance, natural rights, natural law, central emphasis on liberty, individual rights, reason, common sense, and the principles of deism. These principles were a revolutionary departure from theocracy, autocracy, oligarchy, aristocracy, and the divine right of kings.»
[wiki/The Enlightenment]
Comment: I'd leave "deism" out altogether - as being totally unreasonable...
Good of you, Ern, to turn our attention at this point to US patronage of Israel, and involved in that is US right wing support for the 'Jabotinsk' strain of Zionism.
ReplyDeleteClearly, that US patronage figures in the answer to the question: 'Where did they [Zionists] get the idea that they are entitled to the Palestinian land?'
They might not have got the idea at first from US sources, but they clearly went on to heavily rely on US enforcement of their assumed 'entitlement'.
The UK- and US-backing of Zionist colonisation of the Middle East after World War I clearly had a major Anglo-American strategic motivation relating to oil and [at that time] British imperial security.
Recall that oil was discovered in Iran in 1908 and Iraq after WWI. Also that SOCAL discovered oil in Bahrain in 1932, and obtained a concession in Saudi Arabia in 1933.
The US still backs the non-Herzlian Zionism we see today, and it does so because it serves the interests of its 'imperial security' (i.e. greedy grab for all the strategic energy resources - aka power - it can lay its hands on).
So, to re-cap what I'm putting up as parts of a complex answer to your question, Ern, I see:
1. Jewish identity starting with a balance between particularism and universalism, but with Jews persecuted over ages, primarily by Christians (who adhere to a particularistic teaching of salvation), the balance tilting toward particularism over universalism.
2. Jewish particularism, under pressure from the right (i.e. conservatism) in the form of European imperialism, and then the various nationalisms (aka tribalism), giving rise to a Jewish nationalism, named 'Zionism'.
3. Zionism rapidly becoming more agressive, and increasingly a right wing project encouraged by American exceptionalists (who were paranoid about the 'godless' Socialists/Communists), accentuating the tribal/chauvinistic side of Jewish identity (trumping any universalist impulse), and resulting in a highly militaralised and aggressive Zionist state which dispossess the Palestinians (with some Zionists going so far as trying to 'wipe them from the page of history', so to speak).
4. American (primarily but not wholly right wing) reinforcing of a highly militaralised and aggressive Zionist state which dispossess the Palestinians because it has the effect of a) generating markets its MIC, and b)providing an 'incubator' for MIC innovations [and note the output of the Israeli hi-tech arm of the MIC].
Whoops! Lazy typing in point 4. I meant:
ReplyDelete. American (primarily but not wholly right wing) reinforcing of a highly militaralised and aggressive Zionist state which dispossess the Palestinians because it has the effect of a) generating markets for its MIC, and b) providing an 'incubator' for MIC innovations [and note the output of the Israeli hi-tech arm of the MIC].
Geeze! Such LOOONG words! You doin' that jus'ter c'nfuse me? ;-)
ReplyDeleteAnd here am I, trying to tread the tightrope between needlessly excess complexity and trivialising over-simplification...
Agreed that the US and Israel have entered into an incestuous and symbiotic (sick!) relationship, for your reasons and possibly/probably more; it's why I sometimes write USrael, and if I'm considering their ultra-crimes, then U-SS-rael.
(After me: "It's all about murder for oil (land and water), it's all about murder for oil (land and water), it's ...")
But (there's almost always some but - even if one has to scratch around for one); if we wish to discuss "assumed 'entitlement'," could we add some appropriate qualifier, like 'unjustified,' or 'uncivilised,' or 'primitive,' or even 'Neanderthal,' say? Barbaric? Just keeping Lakoff's framing in mind, mind...
That Freeman was appointed is good indeed.
ReplyDeleteApols for so many loooong words.
To me: "It's all about power, it's all about power, it's ... ."
We are charting a similar track.
How about: "Power corrupts," or "The corrupt have usurped power," or "Corrupted power = rip-offs (it's all about murder for oil (land and water), it's ...),"
ReplyDelete.. and yes, it is basically the same track - even *exactly* the same (power, corrupt, theft, murder) track.
I know from discussions withmy father that there is a certain generation of people who believed the Leon Uris' "Trinity" version of events that have become completely disillusioned with the modern concept of Israel,in that actions that can be perceived to have any nobility have been perpetrated in order to protect this land.
ReplyDeleteOn reflection,it's probably good that you folks have bastardised the Webdiary name. People can refer back the original and see that none of the rascist bile published on this website will appear in a place that respects every human as equal.
As a hoarder I keep,tucked away from view,the "Kike" stuff that was around in my grandfather's time. The stuff I've been reading here belongs in the same basket.
That this site bears the name Webdiary, as if in pretense of being a franchise of the Australian original, while presenting the unashamedly racsist (c'mon guys, read what you've written, and if you can't see it that's your problem) points of view herein suggest that you folk are a demographic subset of a long-dead generation who resented the Jew who was loaning you money on which to stay alive.
Richard Tonkin, around the time I first registered at WD you made an accusation that
ReplyDeletesome people were being disrespectful of the Jewish people. A commenter suggested that such an accusation required evidence to back it. You did not provide such evidence. Perhaps you would like to provide evidence to back
the charges you have made here - names of people responsible and the comments they have made to which you are referring and your reasons for considering them as racist.
As to your "none of the rascist[sic] bile published on this website will appear in a place that respects every human as equal", I direct you to many comments made by Alan Curran that I consider to be racist bile - and have
raised with Fiona, that have been published by WD without comment.
If you are prepared to provide the information above, then perhaps we could discuss further issues pertaining to the editorial policy of WD.
G'day Mr. Tonkin,
ReplyDelete.. as you appear to have overlooked a few things, kindly allow me to explain a couple of them:
1) As the blog name '_libre' has it, in here all are free - as you are too, unless/until it is determined that you have sufficiently offended.
2) If you look at the blog's disclaimer, you will see that it has *no* pretensions to be any franchise of anything, as you so blithely allege.
On a specific point, you may well be 'up to speed' on some Irish 'troubles' - but that is 101% off-topic for this thread, which has to do with an assortment of people calling themselves Israeli, Jews and or Zionists - depending, it seems on which way the wind is currently blowing - across Siberia (this, or last week not known.) As to race, this group partly self-defines itself in racist terms (i.e. having a Jewish grandmother is a free-pass to immigration.) One important thing that we can say about this group of people is that they are trying to forcibly expel any they class as 'other' from land considered by many (yes, including me) - to be illegally occupied; and these 'other' they also define in racist terms (i.e. Arabs). It would seem that one could exercise extreme care as to what one says about race - inside this topic, inside this thread. As if attempting forcible expulsion of the prior - some would say still - legal owners from essentially their own land wasn't quite bad enough, they (these same illegal occupiers, aka Jews) keep attacking - mass-murdering - their neighbours, referring to such neighbours using such charming terms as 'non-people.' (Ref. not available, but analogue.)
GW has asked you quite nicely to 'do the right thing' and justify yourself. I now await your response.
So. You may contribute constructively (chapter and verse), instead of hurling (unkind!) abstract accusations... and try to keep in mind:
"Here, life is beautiful..."
Q. What do you tag as "racist" within any of the points I have made, Richard Tonkin?
ReplyDeletePlease be very specific in your reply, rather than just flinging more slanderous stereotyping of people making comments here.
I most certainly am not a racist and I am deeply offended by your false accusation.
You, on the other hand, have actually lent support to racists if you have published the racist anti-Arab comments of that person calling himself "Alan Curran" on your webdiary. I have seen comments by "Alan Curran" calling for the expulsion of all Arabs from Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. I have also seen comments by "Alan Curran" effectively calling for the extermination of all Arabs. He's clearly a racist, and you've supported him.
Richard Tonkin,
ReplyDeletesadly, Webdiary has become a disgrace.
A large part of the reason for this has to do with the WD management of which you are a part.
I have read comments on Webdiary which have made me boil, putrid things from Eliot Ramsey and Alan Curran and Geoff Pahoff who are provocateurs of the vilest order. I have also read Editorial comments which are grossly unfair to some and heavily biased to favour others.
Yet I didn't comment on any of these things because I didn't want to get drawn again into the exercise in futility which neo-Webdiary has become.
P.S. I am indeed sorry that Margo's fine legacy has been so completely vandalized and tarnished.
Any puzzled observer may see a recent example of the 'strict-parent' "gate-keeper" concept gone - knuckle-dragged - awry (i.e. totally unreasonable, pro-Zionist biased censorship) by inspecting the headline article here.
ReplyDeleteIt occurs to me that Tonkin's fit is fully consistent with the vile 'Israel lobby' thug modus operandi of attempting to smear or otherwise intimidate opponents - it's basically the only method available to them, since their 'cause' (murder for land and water) is totally indefensible.
Notice how perfectly the definition of thug[1] applies; only 'India' needs relacing by 'hapless, illegally invaded and brutally occupied Palestine:'
[1] thug n. 1 violent ruffian. 2 (Thug) hist. member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. thuggery n. thuggish adj. [Hindi] [POD]
Observation: Richard Tonkin chose to use a pejorative ethnic slur (i.e. that 'K'-word) in his comment on this blog.
ReplyDeleteObservation 2: Richard Tonkin was the first to ever use that pejorative ethnic slur in any comment on this blog.
Question: Did Richard Tonkin deliberately do that, drop that offensive term here, in order to ensure that pejorative ethnic slurs become associated with this blog in search engine results?
That might be a step too sophisticated for such a rube, but this is pretty tricky: "a demographic subset of a long-dead generation who resented the Jew who was loaning you money on which to stay alive." [My emphasis]
ReplyDeleteQ: Anyone here know a person whose life was saved by being loaned money by Jews?
Q to Mr. Tonkin: Who is the 'you' you wrote about/addressed?
G'day Richard,
ReplyDeleteI believe your contribution above is sad because you have demonstrated your biases even as you accuse others of having them.
I have enjoyed WD for some years and to my best ability I have abided by the Charter. I have had full posts refused, others censored and yet in each case I have endeavoured to stay within the legal limits and reasonable replies to objectionable material.
However, as I see it now, when there is a subject of real emotion (as evidenced by the number of posts on Gaza) the very broad application of the caveats attached to the Charter make genuine debate almost impossible.
Excuse my complaints Richard but I'll give you a few. When I addressed my post to "Cuz" - a reflection not originated by me, it was deleted.
As you are well aware, by changing or removing certain words you can change the entire intention of the sentence if not the whole paragraph itself.
I once wrote that my Mother's first husband was Jewish and my two eldest half-brothers who were produced by that marriage served in the ninth and sixth divisions in the Middle East and New Guinea. This was not allowed to be printed and I wondered why. Was it because my anti-Zionist attitude may have been more respected then?
I took some severe criticism on the chin because I did not want to lose access to what began as a fine and truly free forum.
No one appreciated the work of the volunteers more than I did but, I believe that the false claim of being fair about the Gaza Media Statement created more bias against the critics of Zionism rather than those who had brought the international name of decent Jews into disrepute.
Just one more thing Richard - would you have allowed me to have this printed..."...points of view herein suggest that you folk are a demographic subset of a long-dead generation who resented the Jew who was loaning you money on which to stay alive?"
That is a gross insult to my family and my Scottish and Irish ancestors but then I guess you meant it that way.
In any case it only enforces the long held "subset of a long-dead generation" that where there is money, like the unprincipled money lenders - there is a Jew.
It only serves to show how your bias really works against the innocent people you pretend to defend.
NE OUBLIE.
Two days later and still no sign of Richard Tonkin responding to the questions and challenges put to him. I am not surprised and he has not set a precedent for the WD team on making allegations and not backing them up.
ReplyDeleteI will repost an extract from the Charles Freeman piece above:
The tactics of the Israel Lobby plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth.
This is the kind of behaviour that WD has aided and abetted and, at times, engaged in. And appears determined to continue. I find such behaviour contemptible.
G'day Bob,
ReplyDeleteI am surprised that Richard Tonkin hasn't answered the challenges. I was of the opinion that he was a gutsy individual but, perhaps he doesn't want to take part in this forum.
I like your quotations of Charles Freeman. If I tried to put them into WD they would be refused.
It is all too apparent that the editors are too engrossed in protecting the sentiments and sensibilities of chosen people. In other words, printing only that which is acceptible to their own opinions and beliefs.
One contributor who I respect is Anthony Nolan and I like to quote a little of what he wrote in WD to the vile-mouthed Alan Curren (one of the chosen people).
"Freedom of speech is fundamental to democracy. It allows for the contest of ideas. When it is exercised rationally and follows civil rules then freedom of speech is the process by which people arrive at informed views.
Not allowing such speech puts you in the camp of the anti-democratic." How true.
My Wife and I were in a quandry at to what to do about the unfair and restrictive treatment of my posts to WD.
In the final analysis, my attempts to keep "on-topic"; provide sources; abide with the Charter; try to spell properly; not to take up too much of their time - but generally being anti-Zionist has wearied us and left the intent of my words dispirited to say the least.
So - post to Webdiary-crippled.blogspot.com/ plus webdiary.com.au/ plus Your Democracy?
OR - pick just one to post to all the time?
My Navy training taught me to always go through the proper channels but - what are they here?
Both Webdiary-crippled.blogspot.com/ and yourdemocracy.net.au/ have so far printed my posts irrespective of spelling; grammar; emotion; religious or political views.
I can't ask for more than that.
NE OUBLIE.
G'day Ern, Anthony is spot on. Not only is stifling free speech anti-democratic but it can lead to the perpetrating of injustices and suffering. Then it does, in Charles Freeman's words "plumb the depths of dishonour and indecency". On the case of the pressure applied by the Israel lobby, it requires more courage than many are able to muster to combat.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure about "proper channels" but I'd suggest you post where you feel you are treated fairly.
G'day Bob & Ern,
ReplyDeleteI agree to post where a fair shake can be expected - or better, assured, and the more the merrier. To indicate that your stuff is going to multiple destinations, you can add 'cross-posted,' and (optionally) then give the cross-posted addresses: 'cross-posted here(link) and here(link)...'
As to Bob's reference to baddies' contemptible behaviour, recall orana gelar's "It's all about power, ..." and extended, we could coin an expression "creeping corruption." (In some places, it doesn't 'creep' so much as gallop.) We can see it at multiple levels; the most obvious being Howard (our 'local' bit of the B, B & H outrage), once he got 'blood on his hands' - even if 'only' metaphorically (SIEV-X, say), then there could be no bottom to his personal pit.
Then, when it's *undoubtable, undeniable, real, visible, mass-murder* blood - Iraq, Gaza only the most recent of many, one would already be more than too many - once over such an edge, then no 'sin' can be smaller, so the pit becomes ever more bottomless (yeah, hyper-bowl (hyperbole n. exaggeration, esp. for effect. hyperbolical adj. [POD]))
We know about the many and varied failures 'over there,' there's not much to add except this: having (long ago) started down their own version of the slippery slope, they can't change let alone stop, for to do so would be an admission of their own guilt. (Their guilt has been more than once self-proven (but of course ignored by them), for one of the latest see link.)
After 100s of kms covered today travelling into the fireground, I've come home to catch up on what's transpired and made the (very bad) mistake of reading recent comments on WD.
ReplyDeleteI'm astonished that they continually let those internet trolls using the names "Eliot Ramsey" and "Alan Curran" bait and bully a couple of others, particularly the actual content providers for WD! People like Marilyn Shepherd and Paul Walter are attacked every day by the trolls.
I can't comprehend why anyone would want to "Write for Webdiary" (providing the thousands of words of content at no cost - to WD) when WD's management team encourages a couple of trolls to then routinely attack the character, the integrity of those generous writers?
The writers provide content at no cost; WD makes sure the writers pay, over and over, due to these unethical and unfair attacks on them.
No wonder they hardly have any generous writers willing to gift them 'free content' any more!
Then to rub salt into wounds, that Fiona Reynolds keeps asking the trolls to "Write for Webdiary" and they laugh it off, saying "no way, we're happy baiting and trolling here, we'd never actually contribute anything constructive!"
ReplyDeleteHow many times does she and they repeat that stupid loop before she 'gets it' - they don't care to see WD succeed, the trolls just keep going there to target and abuse people. They act like parasites.
G'day ID,
ReplyDeleteRegarding the idea of links.
This appeals to me because perhaps, we can reach a larer audience.
If those who write to WD are prepared to have their posts emasculated or denied entirely on the most objective reason of all - bias - then I would like to do as you have suggested.
I imagine that if I write in webdiary-crippled.blogspot.com/ then I could provide links to the other two?
Whilst that would not work on WD because of the editors - would it also work by writing into yourdemocracy?
And final question ID - how would I do it in the language of the uneducated?
Cheers Ern G.
"Fiona: Welcome back to Webdiary, CJ Wirth ..."
ReplyDeleteWelcome back? When was there ever before a 'CJ Wirth' on that blog?
If never (and I think that's true), then why does 'Fiona' say "Welcome back ...", if not to reveal that a pseudonym has been adopted by the person now calling him/herself "cjwirth"?
Webdiary - Ethical? Accountable? Transparent?
I think not.
Or the other way around, as it could well be.
ReplyDeleteSeems Clifford Worth has a blog, so "cjwirth" is he.
But when did he ever previously comment on Webdiary and so attract a "Welcome back"?
Unlike the crackpot Ziononazi racists supporting the Jews-only racist state of Israel that are entertained by you and your crew of fellow liars and deceivers at Webdiary, Mr Tonkin, there are no racists here. Folk here believe in the rights of all peoples of Israel and Palestine to be able to live in freedom and peace as one.
ReplyDeleteYou’ve been sucked in by the propaganda of the likes of the fraudsters Ramsey and Curran who project their own Islamophobic racism on to others with the now totally discredited banner of: ‘To be anti-Zion is to be anti-Semite’. You’re trying the same nonsense here.
You have given support and succour to their disgusting views via deceit and lies. The only ‘racist’ at this fine blog Mr Tonkin is you! You are as dumb and gullible as those others that go along with their garbage.
Margo Kingston lost any respect I had for her when she caved in to the right-wings demands that certain subjects relating to the history of our world could no longer be debated there based solely on her desire to maintain a right-wing corner for purely commercial reasons – an utterly despicable and totally unprofessional course of action for someone who stated that her blog was ‘independent, ethical, accountable and transparent’.
Stick to running pubs Tonkin; spare us your self-righteous hypocrisy.
Get out the violins.
ReplyDeleteOh, and the tissues too.
It's obvious why Mr Tonkin has not bothered to reply to the rabble (that Webdiary rejected) here.
"self- righteous hypocrisy." ?????????
Oh dear oh dear.
Pot... meet kettle!
Speaking as one who left Webdiary on his own volition (because I became frustrated with the farce that it had become), can I say, 'Anonymous', that, by supporting Tonkin et al, you get down to their level which is about as low as anyone can go.
ReplyDeleteP.S. I thought you were capable of better. What are they paying you? Or do you do it for free?
David G, I agree.
ReplyDeleteAnd reckon that 'anonymous' (Kathy Farrelly) does indeed do it for free.
BTW the above is as per IDHolm's wise suggestion: 1) identify troll/lies, 2) say so loudly, then 3) move on.
ReplyDeleteSo, moving on ...
Netanyahu’s Likud signed an agreement with the ultranationalist (aka racist ultra-Zionist) Israel Beitenu party of Avigdor Lieberman.
That racist Lieberman is now due to become the foreign minister in the Netanyahu's government.
Israel’s shift to the far-right (from the right) does not bode well.
Orana, would that be this Kathy?:
ReplyDeleteAn anonymous fool..
Easy to be brave, eh?
If you have something to say, at least have the decency to put your name to it.
Posted by: Kathy | Monday, March 02, 2009 at 12:59
Probably, Bob, she's well known for her self-righteous hypocrisy.
ReplyDeleteThat agreement between Netanyahu and he ultra-nationalists means that in addition to the Foreign Ministry, Israel Beitenu will also get internal security, infrastructure, tourism and integration of new immigrants.
They'll be making the lives of Arab-Israelis difficult, making the lives Palestinians sealed behind the Apartheid Wall even more horrible, trying to get as many as possible American Christian Zionists to tour (away from the Wall) and spend, spend, spend, whilst ensuring new immigrants (bet they'll mostly be more Moldovians) are 'properly' integrated according to Yisrael Beiteinu ideology (i.e. made into ultra-right Zionist Arab-haters).
An accurate assessment of the person, Orana.
ReplyDeleteThe political situation in Israel do not bode well - for Arab-Israelis, for Palestinians, for others in the region, including Iranians .. well, for anyone, really.
Here's an article by Uri Avnery.
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ReplyDeleteGo away - just get lost.
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ReplyDeleteHowever real your life ever gets, Ms anon, if it's anything like your internet-life, I'll bet you have a permanent booking at the local STD clinic - the bulk-billing one, just around the corner from your 'shrink.'
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, whilst that slow learning troll keeps demonstrating her stupidity ...
ReplyDeleteAn increasingly disturbing picture of the Israeli army's conduct when it attacked Gaza emerged on Friday, as new witness accounts from Israeli troops described wanton vandalism to Palestinian homes, humiliation of civilians and loose rules of engagement that resulted in unnecessary civilian deaths.
In one account by a remorseful Israeli soldier, he described how an elderly woman was shot dead while walking on a road.
ReplyDelete"From the description of this story, I simply felt it was murder in cold blood," the soldier 'Aviv' said, according to the transcript. "The order was to take that woman out, the moment you see her."
Aviv said in one instance, his unit was sent to take over a house by bursting in, going up floor by floor and shooting anyone they saw.
"I call this murder," he said. "From above they said it was permissible, because anyone who remained in the sector and inside Gaza City was in effect condemned, a terrorist, because they hadn't fled."
In the end, he said he managed to change the order so residents would be given five minutes to leave their homes, drawing protests from other soldiers. "Anyone who's in there is a terrorist, that's a known fact," he quoted another soldier as saying.
Aviv said he felt an attitude among soldiers that "inside Gaza you are allowed to do anything you want, to break down doors of houses for no reason other than that it's cool."
"To write 'Death to the Arabs' on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can," he said.
G'day Orana, a report on the matter. Israel likes to claim that it has the most moral army in the world but this ignores the effect occupation has on an army.
ReplyDeleteOf course there are the excuses - one being that mistakes are made in war. This overlooks the fact that Israel did not have to attack Gaza, it did not have to breach the ceasefire ... and there is the expulsion, the dispossession, the occupation, the blockade ... 60+ years of crimes.
Apparently, the Tzahal (perhaps it should be called the Ashaq) distributed to its soldiers a pamphlet containing vile religious extremism prior to the Gaza invasion.
ReplyDeleteThe pamphlet, published by the Tchum Toda'ah Yehudit (a division of the IDF Rabbinate), included articles by Rabbi Shlomo Aviner claiming a "need to sometimes show cruelty during fighting."
ReplyDeleteAnd other religious views - including via MP3s ... mission from God sort of stuff.
ReplyDeleteAn interesting development re Israeli war crimes in the Gaza. It seems Richard Falk, a UN rights envoy, has said that because civilians were stopped from leaving or fleeing a war zone and the entire Gaza was an actual war zone, then the attack generally can be considered a war crime. Since Olmert ordered the attack, war crime charges can, presumably, be laid be laid against him and anyone else in his cabinet that agreed to the attack.
ReplyDeleteAnd even though Falk is Jewish, he's likely to be ferociously attacked this week by the Lobby.
ReplyDeleteThe usual smear campaign will be seen. Perhaps there'll be T-shirts to go with it.
ReplyDeleteG'day fellow libre's
ReplyDeleteI must have missed the "anonymous" entries due to my anger at the treatment dished out by the totalitarian regime in Margo's webdiary.
My experience is limited with respect to the gutless people who use anonymity for the sole reason of not having to face (physically or in prose) the people they have cowardly attacked.
The fact that this WD-CB even bothered to print such a grubby individual's sneaky sniping is proof that this IS a free forum and that the anonymity chosen by the author must be because he/she is either a contributor to WD or one of the editors.
Such issue from a gutless wonder should be ignored.
P.S. Would Graeme Watson get in touch please - re other threads?
NE OUBLIE.
Despite efforts to infer that there are a limited - perhaps just one - number of reports of atrocities by the IDF in Gaza I have a few more reports of interest:
ReplyDeleteGideon Levy;
What shock, what consternation. Haaretz revealed grave accounts by officers and soldiers describing the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians during the war in Gaza. The Israel Defense Forces Spokesman was quick to respond that the IDF had no prior or supporting information about the events in question, the defense minister was quick to respond that "the IDF is the most moral army in the world," and the military advocate general said the IDF would investigate.
All these propagandistic and ridiculous responses are meant not only to deceive the public, but also to offer shameless lies. The IDF knew very well what its soldiers did in Gaza. It has long ceased to be the most moral army in the world. Far from it - it will not seriously investigate anything.
The testimonies from the graduates of the Oranim pre-military course were a bolt from the blue - accounts of soldiers butchering a woman and two of her children, shooting and killing an elderly Palestinian woman, how they felt when they murdered in cold blood, how they destroyed property and how there was not even fighting in this war that was not a war. But this is neither a bolt nor blue skies. Everything has long been known by those who wanted to know, those who, for example, read Amira Hass's dispatches from Gaza in this paper. Everything started long before the assault on Gaza.
Attached are further links, including to this Haaretz editorial.
From some Reserve generals.
Amos Harel.
Amira Hass.
Sixteen judges and scholars who participated in war crimes commissions on the conflicts in Darfur and Rwanda sent an open letter calling on the United Nations to investigate alleged international law violations committed during the 22-day Cast Lead offensive in Gaza.
The letter, sent Monday to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and the UN Security Council, called for an international commission to investigate humanitarian law violations on "both sides."
The letter, entitled "Find the truth about Gaza war," was sent as a UN commission of inquiry is scheduled to give Ban its initial findings on Israeli strikes against UN officials and facilities in Gaza. The letter's authors are calling for a more comprehensive investigation that goes beyond strikes on UN targets.
Just a selection.
Thanks for the links, Bob.
ReplyDeleteHow could anyone believe an army that's killed 1,000 children and teenagers in the last 9 years is the "world's most moral army"?
Self-delusion is one answer, Orana. Propaganda is another.
ReplyDeleteorana gelar said ...
ReplyDeletePalestinian medical sources reported today that two children were killed after unexploded ordnance, dropped by the Israeli army during the Gaza war, exploded near them in Gaza City.
Watch out for Zionist attempts to paper over that with propaganda.
Posted on March 22, 2009 12:44 PM
I think that the insulting claim that the Zionist' new Israel Army is the most "moral" in the world is merely the methods used by the arrogant and guilty in an effort to blur the issue.
ReplyDeleteThe said mentioned "Army" would have made any proud military sick to their stomachs. The cowardice shown by these vicious invaders towards unarmed men women and children is only a replica of the Nazis and the Japanese in WW 2.
The two latter examples were punished by international Courts using international law (which WD's PM says doesn't exist)and God willing, so will the Zionist murderers.
It is the signature of terrorists like the US and the Zionists that they claim to be on the side of God. God of course being their own politicians.
Due to their superiority (in munitions only) they use their propaganda machines to try to convince us that they are indeed intended to be the master race. Sound familiar?
The Americans say remember "the Alamo" - "The USS Maine" - "the SS Lusitania" - "Pearl Harbour" - "Iraq" and of course 9/11. All of these were excuses for wars of profit and expansion.
The US sponsored murderer in the Middle East is the so-called new "Israel" who wants us to remember the "holocaust" as an excuse for their sixty years of terrorism; invasions; occupations and massacres.
The Zionist program is the same formula for domination as practiced by all dictators since the beginning of recorded time and because it was worse since it was against a people whose race is a mirror-image of their own.
Hitler's program was to treat all Gypsies; Russians, Arabs and their fellow Semites the Jews as "untermenschen".
The Zionist program seems to be to "hone" their murderous skills and to test the latest US weapons on the least able to defend themselves - their fellow tribal Semites.
Unless the free world stands up to these criminals there will be many more thousands killed by them under the aegis of "we have a "Reich" to defend ourselves".
Did the Germans and Zionists learn from the Americans?
What style of "democracy" do the Zionists allow in their new Israel when there are 200,000 Jews and 250,000 Arabs in that section of stolen lands called "Israel"?
NE OUBLIE.
Just a thought.
ReplyDeleteThese two forums have been kind enough to put up with my questions and opinions and I really appreciate it.
Anything worthwhile has behind it the ego of its author - and I am no different. For example, I have no time for people who play politics with such an important issue as the "Middle East Murders".
With all of their nit-picking and diversions they demonstrate only the axiom of business people - that is deception. All talk and no substance.
I have found here and with some "accepted people" in WD, that the tragedy of another Poland is in the making in Palestine.
Not only is the sacrifice of Palestinians a disgrace to the British and American allies with whom they fought and died in two world wars, but it is an indication that the horrors of those wars are still allowed without immediate appropriate response - and for the same reasons.
No one who realises the suffering in those world wars should forget the crimes that were committed in the name of "political power" - or more to the point "loyalty and patriotism". The last bastion of a coward.
The tragedy of these acts being repeated must have at its core the greed for wealth and power. Only the purpetrators seem to change - as though some are saying "we will build our defences against being attacked and when we do - we will attack someone else".
Just think of an excuse; get the powers that be on side and there is established a springboard to more war without end.
The peoples of the world are captives of the maniacal desire for conquest in the contest for world domination.
For how many consecutive years in the 20th century was the United States of America at peace with ALL nations of the world?
Do we, as Australians of all original nationalities, really want to impose our life-style on all other races; religions and cultures?
Until the Howard "New Order" betrayed our nation in Iraq, we had never been involved in undeclared war - a system considered un-gentlemanly by our ancestors. But what did they know.
President Obama has said a lot with which most of the world has agreed but - do we really believe that he can undo even the recent acts of the Bush administration?
Will he stop the military/corporate from making profit from their support of the Zionists? I think not. Is his attitude to a peaceful co-existence with Iran fair dinkum? Or is it a ploy for the old adage of "lulling into a false sense of security" or perhaps "if you can't dominate them now - placate them and deal with them later"?
Barak Obama has become a beacon of hope for so many nations of the world but - unless he stops the Zionist violation of Palestine, he will also be remembered as a hypocrite.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted on http://yourdemocracy.net.au/drupal
G'day, Ernest. I agree that the "world's most moral army" meme is wrong and ridiculous, and that it is propagated in an effort to blur, deflect, deceive, etc.
ReplyDeleteI'd asked the (primarily rhetorical) question:
How could anyone believe an army that's killed 1,000 children and teenagers in the last 9 years is the "world's most moral army"?
Bob is on the money with his reference to 'self-delusion.' A recent psychological study might explain the reasons behind the rise of the far right and war criminals to positions of power in Israel.
The research was conducted by Prof. Daniel Bar-Tal, who is one of the world's leading political psychologists. He works from Tel Aviv University and was assisted by Rafi Nets-Zehngut, a doctoral student.
Prof. Bar-Tal and Nets-Zehngut found that "Israeli Jews' consciousness is characterised by a sense of victimisation, a siege mentality, blind patriotism, belligerence, self-righteousness, dehumanisation of the Palestinians and insensitivity to their suffering."
And thanks for expanding on the point, Orana.
ReplyDeleteNow to Uri Avnery on laws and wars and urges.
And when do the Chosen become unchosen?
G'day Orana and Bob,
ReplyDeleteExcellent articles - there seems to be no end to the absolute truths which totally contradict the Zionists claims to a new Israel.
I say these truths because almost all of these contradictions are from people without any obvious financial or political motives.
I admit that after my initiation to the reality of the Palestinian murders and the cancerous growth of Zionist power in that area, I realised that some good may yet come out of this.
Firstly, it has raised the interest and subsequent ire of so many people world-wide but there is still the Zionist power which tries to blunt any truths of their aggression being exposed.
I must explain - I have no idea how to "link" and the good intentions of some posters have not been able to teach me. Therefore, I am mostly committed to quotations which some people may consider as plagiarism - but it is merely the repeating of facts available to the public.
I have come to a modest opinion that there are two types of Jews contributing to the Murders in the Middle East - those that applaud to massacres for no logical or moral reason - and those who are being critical of the behaviour of the military might of the Zionists of new Israel. But so many of them are journalists and authors and professors who currently reside in new Israel itself!
Pardon me for being suspicious but - is it believable that a "state" born from terrorism, lies and immoral acts against humanity for some 60 years - would allow these "traitors" to be internationally active?
So, when we are able to access information which confidently declares, loud and clear, that Palestine belongs to the Palestinians but home-based academics in new Israel are allowed to criticise their military - provided it seems - that they do not violate the real cause of the problems - the Palestine lands being brutally stripped from their owners.
I continue to learn but I cannot understand why a virtual religious and racial dictatorship like the Zionist junta in new Israel permits such "sedition".
Why do Jewish (Zionist?) people from all over the world support the state of "Israel" being established and then criticise the methods used?
Surely the methods they seem to dislike would stop with the killings of the real landowners and the re-establishment of the legitimate Arab government of Palestine?
Does anyone feel that my scepticism is warranted or am I being overly influenced by the archaic pre-civilisation criminality of the Middle East murders?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted to http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ without personal references.
With apologies to Woody:
ReplyDeleteThis land is my land, this land is my land from the forged documents to the white phosphorus ...
A change of heart by Turkey exposes settler forgeries.
The problems facing Mrs Khurd and the other residents derive from legal claims by the Sephardi Jewry Association that it purchased Sheikh Jarrah’s land in the 19th century. Settler groups hope to evict all the residents, demolish their homes and build 200 apartments in their place.
The location is considered strategic by settler organisations because it is close to the Old City and its Palestinian holy places.
Unusually, foreign diplomats, including from the United States, have protested, saying eviction of the Palestinian families would undermine the basis of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The help of the Turkish government has been crucial, however, because Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire when the land transactions supposedly took place.
...
Officials in Turkey traced the documents the lawyers requested and provided affidavits that the settlers’ land claims were forged. The search of the Ottoman archives, Mr Abu Ahmad said, had failed to locate any title deeds belonging to a Jewish group for the land in Sheikh Jarrah.
And more on the matter.
Now for some articles that might make you laugh if not for the crimes and bloodshed, in which case, keep a sick bag handy for the gross hypocrisy.
Start here and follow the links at the bottom.
The opening paragraph sets the tone:
Israel's ambassador to the United Nations on Wednesday declared in an address before the Security Council that "the state of Israel is committed to the Middle East peace process."
And Jack The Ripper was committed to the welfare of Whitechapel unfortunates.
Just the start ...
I still can't link - but I can think - and reason.
ReplyDeleteI note with some cynical understanding that the two threads in WD concerning the most serious abuses of human rights by the new Israel Zionists, have both faded - irrespective of their obvious interest even by people allowed to criticise.
But, we should keep on keeping on.
From "On Left anti-Semitism and the special status of Israel". By Professor Joel Kovel I quote a section from an interesting article.
"What, then, is the real character of the Israeli state and the Zionism of which it is the fruit? What are we to call a project which, though it boasts of being a “democracy,” reserves 92% of its land for Jewish people? Where one who converts to Judaism or has a Jewish great-grandmother is automatically given full rights to the land while those others whose families merely happened to have lived there for centuries are at best second-class and landless? Where Jews have full legal rights and Palestinian rights have been “temporarily” suspended -- since 1948? Where people have to carry identity cards, specifying ethnicity (a category which may not include the identity of “Israeli”), and that determine how one is treated by the state? Where the territories are laced with “Jews-only” roads? Where political parties that question the fundamentally Jewish nature of the “democracy” are outlawed? And that is afraid to draft a Constitution because it knows it would have to declare itself defunct once it did.
Is there any word for this except racism, institutionalized at the most fundamental level of the state? Is not this the guiding logic of Israel’s militarization, and its mechanism of ruthless expansion and repression--and yes, the prospect of expulsion? Does it not devolve onto society and through the Diaspora, corrupting the emancipatory legacy of Judaism and sowing chauvinism and blind prejudice?
The racist character of the Zionist state is the truth so hard to bear by those who believe in Israel’s fundamental legitimacy. But it also disintegrates this belief, because racism at this level, where a whole people is destroyed so that another people might thrive, epitomizes the meaning of a crime against humanity. All claims of being “the only democracy in the Middle East,” or of saving Jews from anti-Semitic oppression, or having fine symphony orchestras and universities, fade in its glare." End of quote.
The similarities between the unforgiveable actions of the Zionists and the worst of the Nazis is amazing. Where is the star of David now?
With increasing disgust with even the existence of this genocidal new "Israel", the powers that be want to look only at the Phosphorous bombs as a "possible crime"!!! Fair dinkum.
Has the United Nations forgotten already that the Zionists have "stated" that "none of their military will be charged with crimes against humanity"? So that's that - right? Struth.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted with http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
if it wasn't so *deadly* serious ...
ReplyDelete.. it'd be a laugh a minute ...
.. (Cue Costello: "Haw, haw, haw! - Let us prey." - a bit of 'gallows humour,' for old times' sake.)
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I see what Bob might be indicating; a lot of 'funny' headlines, where funny really means peculiar. For example:
«Israel's UN ambassador: It is absurd for Iran to preach morality,»
«Israel ambassador to UN: General Assembly chief is an Israel hater» and
«ADL: Religious groups' plan to break bread with Ahmadinejad is a 'betrayal'».
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Getting back to seriously, it might have been Latham (but not him alone) who used to cry "How do they get away with it?"
One answer is "It is not simple." But as justice via truth seekers, we can find bits and pieces, and keep adding them up. Here is one such piece, some 5.4k words but worth just about every one:
Against Empire
by Michael Parenti
Chapter 3: Intervention: Whose gain? Whose pain?
A tiny sample:
«Millions of news reports, photographs, commentaries, editorials, syndicated columns, feature stories from U.S. media, saturate most other countries each year. The average Third World nation is usually more exposed to U.S. media viewpoints than to those of neighboring countries or its own backlands. Millions of comic books and magazines, condemning communism and boosting the wonders of the free market, are translated into dozens of languages and distributed by U.S. (dis)information agencies. The CIA alone owns outright over 200 newspapers, magazines, wire services and publishing houses in countries throughout the world.»
[killinghope/Blum/Parenti]
That quote shows some of the methodology, of swamping our news/info-channels with the US viewpoint; we can see it in action also via the AusBC and SBS, whereby they include something like 'without the action of our brave troops, Western oil supplies may be put into jeopardy.' Such hardly sounds like propaganda - to the 'wo/man in the street,' but it gets the message across alright.
The cited article illustrates just how far the world has been turned on its head - well, some of us are coming / have already come to that realisation, and to 'close the circle,' it's simply not funny.
The haves and the have nots?
ReplyDeleteWhy does the world society still allow some nation to demand dictatorship and, with financial and military power, decide the fate of any weaker State/Nation by enforcing devastating sanctions? Centuries ago that would have been called empire building with derision - especially by the Americans.
Even to the point of 500,000 Iraqi children dying because of those sanctions and Madaleine Albright - US Secretary of State - born Marie Jana Korbelova - decreed it was worth it!
How could you expect a nation, who would support that statement, to criticise any criminal actions of any of its many servile dictatorships?
We now know with some certainty, that the US has used sanctions on many occasions to force countries to bend to their will. And now?
They use worn out cliché’s like - "the people need democracy" Who gave them the right to decide that? Especially when they always support dictatorships who comply with their foreign policies.
The gross mis-representation of even that one ideological statement is destroyed by their support for the establishment of a new Israel.
Begun and prospered by terrorism with billions of dollars worth of US military technology to enforce an issue that has no basis in morality, justice or human rights.
The Cult of Mount Zion have indeed taken us back to the glory days of Jewish aggression.
The time is coming when the world will be obliged to demand Liberty, Equality and Fraternity from the insatiable US and their Zionist lobby.
Perhaps, this is the time, due to the financial crisis created by the extreme capitalists of the US (read the Zionist lobby)and their manipulation of the market forces of Wall Street.
Let's get fair dinkum about freedom - here in Australia we see the media supporting the fascist tactics of Howard's "New Order" - even in the once trusted ABC.
I believe that the free world cannot allow new Israel to exist due to the archaic and unjust way in which it has been forced on innocent people.
It has no purpose other than to satisfy the lust for power of the Zionists who - were murderers in Canaan and still are. Think of the cult of Kali the Indian Goddess of killing.
If the world waits, as it did in the 1930's, to allow any military power to take over a sovereign state or even parts of its land, like the Zionists have done - where does it end? The next step to eliminate the unwanted?
We are only a small and perhaps ignored group but if we sit by and do nothing, we don't deserve to claim the moral high ground in any issue.
NE OUBLIE.
This is cross-posted with http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
'defenders of the faith' ...
ReplyDelete.. are 99% liars or charlatans ...
.. or both, and possibly 'on the take' too
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By 'defenders of the faith' I mean defenders of any rotten (corrupt, venal) status quo.
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G'day Ern,
I note your note of Mar 26, 2009 7:37:00 AM:
«I note with some cynical understanding that the two threads in WD concerning the most serious abuses of human rights by the new Israel Zionists, have both faded - irrespective of their obvious interest even by people allowed to criticise.»
IMHO, some thought could be given to 'debate[1],' its purpose and with whom one should engage.
I propose that not all over there are seriously interested in genuine debate, in fact a 'select' few are extremely far from it (Haw!) IF the reason for engaging in debate is some defined outcome (me: truth-seeking), AND one's opponent is not genuine, THEN one should identify such faux-debaters - then simply cease engaging, and move on. If, as a lovely 'extra' the 'playing field' is not level, then all the more reason to immediately exit.
On the principle of when enough is never enough, consider "Lakoffian traps" (yesterday, my "Lakoffian slips"[2]; 'Lakoffian' exists Results 1 - 30 of about 1,910 ...) - it's a question of prioritisation and strategy. IF one continues a dialogue with a liar, a troll, a propagandist, THEN 1) such rogues are not interested in proper debate (but see (3)), 2) they are certainly not open to any persuasion and 3) as long as such a faux-debate continues, the liars and/or charlatans can get out their (corrupt, venal) messages.
Then, Ern: But, we should keep on keeping on.
Me: Yes. But not with identified crooks.
Fazit: Yes, that place once held our hopes, but now it's next to totally worthless, even deliberately and with malice aforethought harmful.
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[1] debate —v. (-ting) 1 (also absol.) discuss or dispute, esp. formally. 2 consider aspects of (a question); ponder. —n. 1 formal discussion on a particular matter. 2 discussion (open to debate). [French: related to *battle] [POD]
[2] Haw! I just googled "Lakoffian traps" OR "Lakoffian slips" and on the right hand side up popped 4 'Sponsored Links' - all about underwear. This puts some perspective on the ADL's sponsored link mentioned in my 'google indexing ...' post.
"Lakoffian slip." What an excellent conceptualisation!
ReplyDeleteI'd add that, IMHO, unlike a parapraxis (i.e. a Freudian slip), which is believed to be caused by the unconscious mind, a Lakoffian slip would spring from a semi-conscious mind. It would come from an inattention to the full impact of propagandistic framing.
I'm sure I've made many a Lakoffian slip over the years. I'd not be alone in this.
Only with constant attention to the possible conceptual connections flowing from each of the great many frames communicated to us each day, could we avoid any Lakoffian slips.
And, on reflection, that kind of analytical attention is a good skill, one we should hone, and use wisely. Let's make fewer Lakoffian slips and do what IDHolm has -- helpfully point out where various sources of information make such slips.
I think you'll enjoy this paper by Lakoff (pdf), IDH.
ReplyDeleteWhoops, here it is again: this paper by Lakoff (pdf)
ReplyDeleteThanks, downloaded and reading ... phew! - 1st all those looong words, now so much to read ... yeah; thanks! A lot.
ReplyDeleteDer, I didn't think!
ReplyDelete«From cognitive science we learn that most of our thought is below the level of consciousness, part of what is called “the cognitive unconscious.” Even careful, well educated planners who think deeply about what they are doing typically make use of a system of unconscious, implicit concepts that they may not be aware of. The job of cognitive linguistics is to study what those concepts are and how they change.»
[orana gelar/Lakoff/The Mind and The World]
Well, if that doesn't make you think, possibly not much else will ... gives a whole new meaning to 'consciousness raising,' eh? (Tip: "Admitting the problem is half the battle".)
Wheels within wheels, it's one of the purposes of blogs like this; dig up the facts, expose filthy liars and their wicked lies - hopefully doing all this digging and exposing loudly enough to wake the dead. Next, the sheople: WAKE UP!!
G’day Bob,
ReplyDeleteRegarding your take on Gordon Brown’s completely irrelevant kindness that Iran (after all the threats, and massive sanctions) should be able to have nuclear power. Well hooray for deception and bulldust.
Rightly and very clearly you dissect his garbage for what it is – for example just one point:
“Iran has concealed nuclear activities, refused to cooperate with the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency], and flouted UN Security Council resolutions. Its refusal to play by the rules leads us to view its nuclear program as a critical proliferation threat”
1. Iran has remarkably allowed IAEA inspections and assisted in every reasonable way. New Israel lied for decades before being caught out for having nuclear weapons – but no sanctions there.
2. Iran has not brutalised anyone but new Israel has done so with the most unconscionable regulatory – no sanctions there either.
So that is just one example as to how the Zionists are able to do as they like to whoever they like whenever they like without any fear of punishment of any kind.
Now that’s reasonable isn’t it?
As I have promised the following is a case history of the US supported Zionist murders and weapon testing:
Of the 101 resolutions of the UN Security Council the first 27 (Res 42 to 108) were trying to stop the aggression – called the Palestine Question and then:
1. Resolution 111: " ... 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
2. Resolution 127: " ... 'recommends' Israel suspends its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
3. Resolution 162: " ... 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
4. Resolution 171: " ... determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
5. Resolution 228: " ... 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
6. Resolution 237: " ... 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
7. Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel's neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the Land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab-Israeli conflict
8. Resolution 248: " ... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
9. Resolution 250: " ... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
10. Resolution 251: " ... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
11. Resolution 252: " ... 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
12. Resolution 256: " ... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
13. Resolution 259: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
14. Resolution 262: " ... 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
15. Resolution 265: " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
16. Resolution 267: " ... 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
17. Resolution 270: " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
18. Resolution 271: " ... 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
19. Resolution 279: " ... 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
20. Resolution 280: " ... 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
21. Resolution 285: " ... 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
22. Resolution 298: " ... 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
23. Resolution 313: " ... 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
24. Resolution 316: " ... 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
25. Resolution 317: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
26. Resolution 332: " ... 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
27. Resolution 337: " ... 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
28. Resolution 338 (22 October 1973): cease fire in Yom Kippur War
29. Resolution 339 (23 October 1973): Confirms Res. 338, dispatch UN observers.
30. Resolution 347: " ... 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
31. Resolution 425 (1978): " ... 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon". Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon was completed as of 16 June 2000.
32. Resolution 350 (31 May 1974) established the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, to monitor the ceasefire between Israel and Syria in the wake of the Yom Kippur War.
33. Resolution 427: " ... 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon".
34. Resolution 444: " ... 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
35. Resolution 446 (1979): 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
36. Resolution 450: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
37. Resolution 452: " ... 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
38. Resolution 465: " ... 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
39. Resolution 467: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
40. Resolution 468: " ... 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
41. Resolution 469: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians".
42. Resolution 471: " ... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
43. Resolution 476: " ... 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
44. Resolution 478 (20 August 1980): 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'.
45. Resolution 484: " ... 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors".
46. Resolution 487: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility".
47. Resolution 497 (17 December 1981) decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
48. Resolution 498: " ... 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
49. Resolution 501: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
50. Resolution 508:
51. Resolution 509: " ... 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
52. Resolution 515: " ... 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in".
53. Resolution 517: " ... 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
54. Resolution 518: " ... 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
55. Resolution 520: " ... 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
56. Resolution 573: " ... 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
57. Resolution 587 " ... 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
58. Resolution 592: " ... 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
59. Resolution 605: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
60. Resolution 607: " ... 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
61. Resolution 608: " ... 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
62. Resolution 636: " ... 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
63. Resolution 641: " ... 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
64. Resolution 672: " ... 'condemns' Israel for "violence against Palestinians" at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
65. Resolution 673: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
66. Resolution 681: " ... 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
67. Resolution 694: " ... 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
68. Resolution 726: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
69. Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
70. Resolution 1559 (2 September 2004) called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land and called upon Syria to end their military presence in Lebanon by withdrawing its forces and to cease intervening in internal Lebanese politics. The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias to disband.
71. Resolution 1583 (28 January 2005) calls on Lebanon to assert full control over its border with Israel. It also states that "the Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for the purpose of confirming Israel's withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425.
72. Resolution 1648 (21 December 2005) renewed the mandate of United Nations Disengagement Observer Force until 30 June 2006.
73. Resolution 1701 (11 August 2006) called for the full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah.
74. Resolution 1860 (9 January 2009) called for the full cessation of war between Israel and Hamas.
As lengthy as this is it is worthwhile looking at it and thinking “how do they get away with it”?
They are NOT a democracy for sure and they do not abide by any rules or morals of the civilised world – therefore I consider them to be the vicious predators they want us to believe – hated them for their……..what?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted with http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
G’day Bob,
ReplyDeleteRegarding your take on Gordon Brown’s completely irrelevant kindness that Iran (after all the threats, and massive sanctions) should be able to have nuclear power. Well hooray for deception and bulldust.
Rightly and very clearly you dissect his garbage for what it is – for example just one point:
“Iran has concealed nuclear activities, refused to cooperate with the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency], and flouted UN Security Council resolutions. Its refusal to play by the rules leads us to view its nuclear program as a critical proliferation threat”
1. Iran has remarkably allowed IAEA inspections and assisted in every reasonable way. New Israel lied for decades before being caught out for having nuclear weapons – but no sanctions there.
2. Iran has not brutalised anyone but new Israel has done so with the most unconscionable regulatory – no sanctions there either.
So that is just one example as to how the Zionists are able to do as they like to whoever they like whenever they like without any fear of punishment of any kind.
Now that’s reasonable isn’t it?
As I have promised the following is a case history of the US supported Zionist murders and weapon testing:
Too lengthy and considered as spam by your democracy - recommend the google site "List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel".
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
Strains in the relationship - Justin Raimondo on US/Israel tensions.
ReplyDeleteAnd on fundamentalism - Chris Floyd.
Adding to Ern's list is this - written 6 years ago:
In the UN Security Council since the Six Day War the US has used its veto on forty occasions to protect Israel, more than the combined total of uses by the other major powers. In addition to continuing this US record the Bush administration has blocked enforcement of dozens of other resolutions previous administrations had allowed to pass.An example of the Bush administration’s attitude is the vetoing of an otherwise unanimous vote in respect of a resolution on December 20, 2002 criticising the Israeli government for several incidents involving United Nations workers in the occupied territories, including the killing of several workers. After September 11, expansionist elements in Israel and their supporters in the US were quick to associate Israel’s war against Palestinian resistance groups with the US’ war on terror. This was designed to delegitimize Palestinian grievances and to promote Israel’s agenda to not only maintain Israeli occupation but possibly to expand Israeli territory.
There have been more uses of the veto since that was written.
Why?
ReplyDeleteI would like to know why the western and eastern civilised world accepts the uncontrolled and vicious behaviour of the Zionists of new Israel?
Their behaviour has been supported by the US and effectively ignored by the rest of civilisation in Europe, Russia, and the Far East.
The Zionist lobby in the US has made the UN, the Red Cross and all civilised human rights agencies impotent with respect to the total abuse of all issues that the world has learned by history to deplore.
Taking one thing at a time –claims by the descendants of Jewish people who were interned with the Gypsies – the Russians – the political opponents and all others considered by the Nazis as “untermenschen” is that them, and they alone, suffered the gas chambers and the cremation of their bodies, sometimes from abuse and starving.
All big business is based on deception and I feel that the holocaust story is certainly big business.
Since the continuing murdering performance of the Zionists in trying to steal Semite land for the establishment of a new Israel is an insult and contradiction to all we should have learned from both World Wars I can reasonably and proudly be called an anti-Semite. So what?
I don’t intend to excuse that tag because it could be, in time, a badge of honour. Certainly there is no honour in what the Zionists are doing.
So, without the false claims of an ancient right, and the knowledge that the greedy Zionists have abused the world sympathy for the plight of their ancestors and many, many others, it is appropriate that we look at the Palestine situation objectively.
The land in question has been owned (at least by nine points of the law) by the Arabs who have lived, loved and died there for centuries. They did not raise armies, they did not attack others nor did they try to improve their life-style by aggression.
And their tormentors are a “people” whose excuse for their murderous attack on innocents is that “they” want their land to protect their race/religion from the inconveniences of abiding by some laws foreign to their God –given right.
Now that the Zionists have abused their authority and set themselves on a murderous rampage – for revenge? Its about time that the fallacy of the claim of a new Israel is becoming obvious to the least interested – let’s turn back the clock. “If only”.
When the Jewish people, for some unknown reason refused to leave when told to do so, finally had to escape from Europe, they were reasonably welcomed by the Arabs of Palestine. Bless their souls - the Arabs that is.
The reason for their forced evacuation is and wasn’t the fault of the Palestine people.
NE OUBLIE.
Why is it so? (Prof.Sumner Miller?)
ReplyDeleteIf for at least a little while, we try to forget the world financial crisis caused by the greed of US capitalists - why is there so much turmoil in two of the most corrupt would be “westerner” nations of Pakistan and India?
Did the US support their entry into the “nuclear weapon” world? Yes but why?
For “ever” the lies of the”wannabe westerners” the Zionist occupiers of Palestine lands have finally been outed that they too, were “honoured” with the ultimate weapon by the US. Why?
It seems to me that the overall foreign policy of the Americans is becoming undone by their own sowing of seeds of unrest in otherwise countries of “leave us alone” mentality. Why?
When I try to look at the big picture – and it grows smaller every year – I believe that besides being the biggest most powerful terrorist in the world, the US may have finally overstretched its military influence to a point where “every force develops an equal and opposite force”?
The policy of de-stabilisation may yet create a situation where the “untouchable” US may make her allies pay dearly for their “we have a right to defend ourselves” policy, so gravely used in their satellite new Israel.
In the latter they have unleashed a people who have no conception of the human rights of others and who have taken their belief of superiority over mundane mortals to a point where all Australians should be taking stock of what is happening in the Middle East murders.
I can only excuse my hitherto modest attitude to the new Israel situation on my lack of information from the media and their powers that be. As sometimes happens, the bad news of the Middle East murders sells newspapers – and this was the acorn from which large oaks grow.
The attitude of the human mind is more manipulated than I ever imagined.
Why is it so?
You will find that forums like ours are typical of the history of civilisation where the people print the truth in cellars and behind bolted doors. We try to swim against the tide and, as fate would have it, eventually the persistence pays off.
Even Sisyphus may still feel that he is achieving something.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted on http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
say one (filthy, propagandist!) thing ...
ReplyDelete.. but do a (criminal!) other ...
.. g'day Ernest W,
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you might recall that the 'Sisyphus' crack was originally made by one of the (best) goodies, and he only ever proceeded from the best of intentions. Going back to the problems, the real question is (always) "Why?"
In this case, why is it that the criminals have come to dominate?
Agree with you about being misinformed; I rail and splutter over the utterly miserable fact that the AusBC and SBS dare to propagandise us. It simply cannot be that so-called 'professionals' could conduit (filthy! Lying!) propaganda without knowing full-well what they're doing.
I grew up listening to the AusBC; it was through them that I heard (absorbed) the myth about the (poor, brave little) Israeli "David" facing down the (ugly, aggressive) Arab (now Muslim) "Goliath" - what we now know to be a thoroughly lying propaganda construct.
Also whilst growing up I heard/absorbed the lying myths about truth, justice and the American way. We never got the truth, TANJ = there ain't no justice, and the American - and Israeli way is to lie, cheat steal and murder.
Back to my "Why?" question now turned "How?"
Q1: How is it that the criminals have come to dominate?
Q2: Where are the (civilised) adults, where are the (honest) leaders?
very good questions; one could extend 'the benefit of the doubt' ...
ReplyDelete.. but by their acts have we come to know them ...
.. it's not what they say but what they do that counts
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G'day again Ernest W,
we observe them trotting out "The Holocaust" at the drop of every hat, and they have 'leveraged' it unmercifully - so unmercifully in fact, that they show no visible qualm at all, as they slaughter the dispossessed owners of the land they've mostly illegally occupied (latest iteration, Gaza 08/09). One can consider the whole state of (modern) Israel to be illegal, since international law has been made ineffective - by the very actions of that state, and similarly, by the wicked actions of the US of A. Since they have made international law ineffective, they can hardly claim that as their own legitimation (circular argument fallacy.)
As you say, it can hardly be an accident that they are sooo reviled; they bring it upon themselves, since by Occam's Razor it's more likely to be the actions of a (tiny!) minority to be at fault, rather than those of the (overwhelming!) majority.
Also as you say, it's most often them who trot out the "Hate-meme," we (proper liberals) usually do not hate people, even wicked ones - but we utterly deplore and unreservedly condemn the actions of criminals anywhere and everywhere - as exemplified by the (vicious, murdering) depredations of the (offensive) IDF as they invade and kill their hapless and otherwise innocent neighbours.
“It’s not what they say that counts its what they do.”
ReplyDeleteG’day ID – well said and how true. Let’s take a fair dinkum look at anti-Semite.
There are certain “wisdoms” of which we in the western world shall not speak since it may offend some Zionist or Jewish or Hebrew or whatever. Why is that so?
If condemning the killings and murders of any people by an aggressor is being anti-Semite, then I am anti-Semite about Palestine; Poland: Russia; France and Belgium et al., and all other nations who have been brutalised by a military power.
Because then anti-Semite would only have a justifiable standard IF it applied to everyone? So I am anti-Semite and will continue to criticise any race that abuses and slaughters other members of the world community.
The Zionists of WD claim that there is no such thing as international law to excuse the cowardly behaviour of their military in their “handling of the Palestinian Solution” just as the Nazis handled the “Jewish solution”?
As an anti-Semite (which as yet is not a crime in itself but give it time) I see no difference in what the Zionist Palestine invaders have done, to that which the Nazis did and which the Jews condemn. Because in the latter it was their God’s people only?
For all intents and purposes, Gaza IS a concentration camp of the worst kind, just as the Zionists also did in Lebanon when they boxed in the Muslims and held them there while non-Muslim Lebanese massacred them.
When Germany invaded Poland (where there was an extremely large Jewish community) because they said the Poles had killed the Germans in a communication outpost – I guess that they too felt they were entitled because they too had a “Reich” to defend themselves? And look where that finished up.
The actions of the Zionists of new Israel are no different to the Nazis in; use of disproportionate military power; the excuse for the initial political invasion and the following massive terrorism to subdue the citizens (Palestinians) – therefore by any measure, aren’t the Zionists war criminals, just as much as the Nazis?
I find it hard to come to terms with the constant and hypocritical excuses which have encouraged the Zionists to exercise the “killings” which - by omission are allowed - by their God in their 10 commandments.
Currently there is a Jewish push to bring to trial an Australian citizen? The 87 year old ex-Hungarian soldier is accused of beating to death a Jewish boy during WW II.
I would like to hear what “laws” the Jewish Lobby will use to demand his extradition?
And unless those same laws apply to the Zionist criminals of new Israel, I would refuse the application on the grounds that the applicant uses laws under which they themselves have no obligation and therefore do not warrant a remedy.
As you said ID – its not what they say its what they do! Fair dinkum.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted with http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
And now Iran? The expansionist plans of the new Israeli military.
ReplyDeleteWhile the Zionist apologists keep ranting that the new Israel military are only "defending themselves" the uncommitted world knows that they are lying and therefore is complicit in their activities against the Arab people.
An article in The Jerusalem Post dated March 9 2006 - yes 2006, by Nathan Guttman says in part:
"Former Chief of Staff, Moshe (Bogi) Ya'alon says that Israel has a military option against Iran's nuclear program and that it should not take it out of consideration. In a speech at the Hudson Institute - a Washington think tank - this Tuesday, Ya'alon gave a rare detailed description of Israel's military possibilities regarding Iran. He acknowledged the fact that Iran has its nuclear programs spread out in many sites and said that Israel can overcome the Iranian air defence system and carry out air strikes against several dozen sites which are used for the nuclear development project."
COMMENT: This is the military objectives of a struggling new Israel who only wants peace? This is a plan to protect itself? When will they attack Pakistan and India who already have nuclear bombs?
"The former Chief of Staff did acknowledge the fact that any Israeli strike against Iran would lead to a harsh retaliation against Israel. He said that might try launching missiles from its own territory towards Israel or to use the Hisbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in Gaza in order to fire rockets into Israel. Yet Ya'alon added that Israel can withstand such an attack, thanks to its effective anti-missile systems."
COMMENT: A little common sense here – IF the Zionists can withstand the missiles from Iran and the rockets from the rubble they have made in Lebanon and Gaza – why are they invading and murdering in both of those countries?
Don't tell me that the Palestinians who are living in rubble and refugee tents have almost got an atomic bomb? How extraordinary is the Zionist ability to lie?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted with http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
G'day ID,
ReplyDeleteIt appears to me that the ultimate expansionist plans of the fascist new Israel are becoming alarmingly too obvious.
Could you please start a thread under say "The expansionist plans of the Middle East murderers"?
It is certainly taking on a frightening US/Israel objective. After all, more than 80% of the world's Jews live in only those two countries.
NE OUBLIE.
How to author a thread (g'day Ern):
ReplyDelete1. Log on to the 'Dashboard' using your Blogger-ID and password.
2. If not visible, scroll down to "webdiary_no..." and click on "New post."
3. Follow your nose; enter a title and the body of your text. You can switch between 'preview' and two edit modes 'Compose' and 'Edit HTML.'
4. When you're happy with how the preview looks, click 'Publish post.'
5. Once published, you can update the post from the dashboard by clicking on 'Edit posts.'
Try it!
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Over there their company secretary has announced that Ernest "was banned from the site at the request of the editors."
ReplyDeleteWhy did David Roffey choose that particular phrasing?
My estimate: He's distancing himself from the decision by pointing to those whom are 'to blame' i.e. 'the editors'.
Why did 'the editors' request that?
Well Ern's 'crime' in the eyes of those 'editors' (aka the censors known as Fiona Reynolds and Richard Tonkin) was that he'd used his freedom to submit for publication his comments elsewhere. They can't stand the transparency of having what they decided to censor over there being published elsewhere.
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ReplyDeleteAt last, a person on Webdiary with the courage of his convictions.
ReplyDeleteWebdiary Management update 39.
“We didn’t publish 26 racist, abusive, content-free or incomprehensible comments in March: once again, many of those were from Ernest William Graham, and he was banned from the site at the request of the editors.
In fairness to David – I would say that most of them were mine and he should also check the number that have been treated likewise in the many months before. With very minor exceptions they were all about condemning the Middle East Murders by the Zionist occupiers of Palestine.
I have never had any problem with David Roffey, he has never abused me about my opinions; spelling; grammar or even my belief in and insistence on - the truth.
Having the Zionists outed now as to having me banned is a relief. I commend David for his honesty at least.
Conversely, and I mean no harm to Alan Curran for whom I had a strange affection, but his posts were brutal and quite disgusting but – they supported the Middle East Murderers and were printed without abuse.
I am diametrically opposed to the editorial bias of newspapers and the T/V – I am comfortable now in putting Webdiary and its current Zionistic editors in the same trash tray.
Posters should be careful what they write in the selective Webdiary because these editors have the un-challenged power to accuse, abuse and generally denigrate any contributor they wish. Sometimes with the cowardly insult of silent omission. They do not abide by any measure of decency and logic – just bias and a policing for the protection of Zionist policies.
I notice that Scott Dunmore and Malcolm B. Duncan are back – both of whom have a strong sense of decency and a quick wit – perhaps they will get a fair go now - as long as they toe the line concerning the Zionist powers that be.
In the meantime, decent people in Webdiary can still read alternative opinions and facts in yourdemocracy.net.au/ and webdiary-crippled.blogspot.com/
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted with http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
Good question, orana, given that on a previous occasion he used "... before Fiona banned him" referring to the case of a particularly odious commenter.
ReplyDeleteRoffey may have told the truth when he wrote "... and he was banned from the site at the request of the editors" but with all due respect, that hardly illustrates "courage of his convictions" - or if it does, then it illustrates just how warped his convictions actually are. Specifically, Ern, your not-published post, the one which serendipity plus eagle eyes enabled us to publish here, here and here, hardly qualifies as grounds for being censored. (The reason for our multiple postings is because following Tonkin's t**d of Mar 10, 2009 6:48:00 PM, Google has apparently been censoring _libre.)
ReplyDeleteRoffey's actions give both implicit and explicit approval to the WD censorship process, and as orana gelar pointed out, Roffey's 'blaming' others is an act of cowardice. No-one in the world should control what any other reads, that's a decision for individual readers themselves - since only they know what they like - or not.
(Message to Ern: Try this to login to Blogger Dashboard.)
G'day ID,
ReplyDeleteMy Wife and I have tried to follow your directions to establish a new thread.
Struth, I hope it works.
Cheers Ern G.
Yes Ern, it worked; as all can see here.
ReplyDeleteThe birth, life and ultimate death of Empires.
ReplyDeleteIt is unbelievable, or is it, that the Zionist occupiers of Palestine would even now, further raise their finger to any semblance of decency by putting the maniac "bouncer" Lieberman as their supposed "foreign minister".
It probably serves no useful purpose to give the history of the multi-national Jews who, with Zionist principles, have abused all attempts by the world fraternity to have them limit their brutal behaviour to human beings in several different countries.
With every crime against humanity and contempt for the basic rules of international law, the UN condemns the Jewish actions and the US abstains.
With every effort by the UN to "punish" these criminals who act against any semblance of accepted universal behaviour, the US vetoes the motion.
So the organisation seems to be that the Jewish "Hit Men" are the soldiers protected by the American international mafia.
Extreme? I think not.
Can the world introduce some "radiation" to reduce the uncontrolled aggression of the Jewish invaders of the Middle East? Because, without another World War, the Americans still have the advantage of concentration of power.
Is there any world military organisation that doesn't have US influence and control?
So, irrespective of the civilised objectives of a better relationship between nations and the worthy effort to help the less fortunate - there is a cancer in world affairs which is only immune to itself.
There is no truth but the powers that be.
NE OUBLIE.
I have a few small problems with your 'powers that be;' g'day Ern. I'm reasonably convinced that politicians are more pretenders than actual 'possessors' of power, although of course the politicians themselves would be the very last to admit it. That's not to say that I'm invoking any c-word; what we see could be merely the product of a 'birds of a feather' effect, i.e. many units moving in roughly the same direction. BUT: whoever the real 'powers that be' are, they have usurped the power properly belonging to the sovereign sheople - since at least three prime prerequisites for a properly functioning democracy are *NOT* present, namely (1) a fully informed and engaged electorate (which has been largely, deliberately 'dumbed down'), (2) the information dissemination process itself has been crippled (corrupt & venal MSM) and (3) the elected representatives hardly represent us, we the people, but rather more, they represent the interests of the so-called 'big end of town.'
ReplyDeleteAs evidence, I offer the observation that despite 'regime change' in both the US and Aus, many important policies have not changed, see the indications of revving up the invasion of Afghanistan and the utter failure to restrain Israel - no apparent effort, even. These indicate another failure of our democracies, when one 'side' is discredited and un-elected, the incoming 'side' should bring us relief: not much if any in sight.
The expression 'powers that be' does not indicate the foul usurpation process but does imply a certain degree of stasis, i.e. 'being' implies an undeserved continuity, nor does it indicate the worst, undemocratic aspect. Sooo, the 'powers that be' simply shouldn't. Give us our democracy back!
The Powers That be?
ReplyDeleteTHE HIDDEN TYRANNY by Benjamin Freedman - Jewish Conspirator Emeritus.
"It is today a well recognized fact of life in political circles in the United States that the censorship exercised today by Zionists over the media for mass information constitutes a virtual monopoly. It is likewise today a well recognized fact of life in political circles in the United States since President Wilson won his first election in 1912 as president of the United States, that elections in the United States are seldom won or lost today based upon the candidates' qualification for office. Elections in the United States since 1912 are won or lost on the battlefields of the media for mass information by character assassination. Zionist ownership of media for mass information, or by Zionist control exercised by some devious corporate device in effect and in fact censors the news and editorial policies of as the leading daily and Sunday newspapers, all the weekly and monthly news magazines, all leading radio and television stations and networks, the entire motion picture industry, the entire entertainment world and the entire book publishing industry, in effect and in fact the entire complex of media for mass information in the United States, truly a brainwashing monopoly". [Sounds like Webdiary doesn’t it?]
COMMENT: This is confirmed by those of us who watch the US T/V series. There is no doubt that Jewish actors must get first preference since the controllers are all Jewish.
To believe that the brilliant Jewish musicians and other professionals, indicates in any way, that the Zionists have more natural artists than any other religion is as false as the claim that their God demanded that they control the world by brutal genocide and speaks to their Prophets.
Once the Zionists obtain control of anything, they maintain that situation by ensuring that no one of any other race interferes with that system, hence the rise of mainly Jewish people in positions of power and propaganda.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://yourdemocracy.net.au/ in Demon Zionists.
Apologies libre's, The above post was posted to http://yourdemocracy.net.au/ Objectivity to Terrorism.
ReplyDeleteNE OUBLIE.
To all anti-Semites.
ReplyDeleteThe Bush administration, to the best of my recollection, used hatred of the Russians - the Iraqis - the Iranians - the North Koreans - the extreme Islamists - the Al Qaeda - and generally those people in this ever diminishing world who "if you are not with us then you are against us"?
The world has to decide whether or not the US can continue to have absolute control of who is to be hated - or supported - year by year.
While the US/Zionist manipulators plan the future - the destabilising military support for the maniac Zionists of the Middle East contradicts their false principles.
To believe that Barak Obama is going to deal with the many crimes that the US/Israeli military alliance has committed against the very basic principles of human rights and contrary to the objectives of the United Nations - is a pipe dream.
If the world understands that there is a cancer - why don't we do something about it.
Are we, the Australian people, so brainwashed by the capitalist media that we are unable to see that we are as selfish as the powers that be want us to be?
Does it really matter whether the Zionists run the US government or the reverse? The effect on the stability of the world is the same.
Who runs America? Who runs the radical rogue group called the Zionists of new Israel?
NE OUBLIE.
Some thoughts on reality.
ReplyDeleteHow important has the Jewish question become to contemporary world peace?
Accepting that some 0.2% of the world's population is Jewish (2008)then it is reasonable to assume that the effect of that race on world affairs should be minimal?
IMHO there is surely no other minor race who have had such an effective influence on world affairs.
Why is that so?
Does any reason and logic explain that their God commanded them to control the world? And the Universe? Not by faith or even military invasion but, by the total extermination of those who oppose their God's command.
As far as I can determine on the net, the many religions of the world, with the exception of the Jews/Hebrews/Zionists - have as their basic principles that there should be a fellowship of man and peace amongst humanity?
They all suggested punishments for human rights violations according to thei laws, which vary from one to another but, in the Jewish religion it seems that to kill is justified provided that the victims are not servants of Zion.
I am still trying to understand the de-stablising effect that the Jewish people have on world affairs.
I do not believe that because their Mothers or grand-Mothers were Jewish makes them acceptable to the "chosen race" any more than the intention of Hitler youth was to produce a perfect Aryan race.
In fact, the latter would have had to be achieved by legal, physical and biological effort while the Zionist claim was "God-given" by birth.
The actions of the Zionist/Jews over the last 60+ years, would have to create hatred amongst the pathetically innocent and defenceless victims of the Middle East.
I wonder - yes I wonder - how Australians have been conned into fighting orchestrated American wars! Especially since we now know that Australian citizens are travelling to new Israel to take part in the reverse-holocaust!
The Zionists believe that any non-Zionist is not entitled to live other than as a slave - why would the Germans who marched back from WW 1 with their rifles over their shoulders - accept the Treaty of Versailles?
Why are the considered crimes of past anti-civilised people lost in the pages of history while the present [and past] murders of a new US Zionists excused by the powers that be?
If I was a Jew and not dedicated to the childish/Nazi belief in being a master race, I would be ashamed. And these are the people who can bring about a withdrawal of Zionist forces from Palestine.
Otherwise the distrust and anger against the Zionist invaders of Palestine could create a new holocaust to compete with the one they have knowingly created.
Why?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
How true is the human need for compassion?
ReplyDeleteNow that my children, their children and their children are learning, I still feel that we are being brainwashed by the powers that be. Certainly I was and - possibly all too late - I appreciate the fresh minds of children in asking WHY?
The original purpose of the "free" press, we were told, was so that they could impart to us without fear of favour, the news as it happened.
Sadly, we now know that the media barons absolutely control any information that we are permitted to see, read or hear - similar to "over there".
When we become aware of this "religion of mis- information", the MSM creates stories which they believe will be most acceptable to the public who, after all, pay their bills.
When we are next invited to vote for any level of our "democratic" system, it is not the ability or otherwise of the candidates which matters, it is what we are told that we think matters.
Hence the enormous cost of elections especially in the Zionist controlled US of A.
In our so-called democracies, from the minor power of local councils to the supposed "leader of the free world" - there is a massive amount of money fed into the main stream media (MSM).
When I was a Union delegate I was told by a PRIME journalist that "good news does not sell newspapers"! And how they manipulated the disasters that were not even considered!
If the representatives of the elected government controlled the media they would call it fascism. (German style not Zionist) or perhaps Communism?
If only - we free thinkers were able to reach the general public, even in our own society, what really could we do?
The horrible truth is that the CIA/Mossad method of destabilisation would paint us as a rabble opposing the "rightful" government of that people.
The Americans stuffed the League of Nations and then - I believe by Zionist millions - established in New York, a "beacon of universal democracy" - the latter of which has been controlled from its outset by the "powers that be". You decide who they really are.
It is purposeless to consider that our small voices of dissent can make a difference but, my love for my country deserves every effort that I can make to help us survive from an American (and probably Jewish caused)financial disaster.
Out of the mouths of babes?
US democracy is a marketing ploy.
Contrary to Bush's John Howard who sang "God bless America" with his Zionist capitalists - even as small as we are - we should defend the weak! Albeit that the Christian belief that the meek shall inherit the earth is diametrically opposed to the Zionist Jewish intention.
So, do we adopt the attitude of "stuff you murdered Palestinians - I'm inboard?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted to http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
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ReplyDeleteHow far can the Zionists go?
ReplyDeleteI have just finished a post which commends the ability of people like us who search for truth by having access to the information provided by modern technology.
I have also commented that the Zionists must control this technology to achieve their objective.
Now I have found this on the Google website of "Jew watch com/"
“To: Google.com
When performing a search for the word "Jew" on google.. the first result
is a site that has been notorious for being anti-semitic.. the site is
called jewwatch.com .... Google is the # 1 search site and the fact that
The first search result would yield an anti-semetic site is all too
common in a growing era of increased Anti Semetism... In order for
google to remove this They would need a petition of over 50,000
requests....”
End of quote. The price of maximum control should be maximum exposure. These are a race that has a history of massacres and brutality.
This means to me one new fact - the Zionists do not YET control Google?
The absolute arrogance of these people, who think that they are protected by a vicious and violent God, is unbelievable.
As their Zionist Murdoch newspapers so often exclaim, "If they have nothing to hide" why the complaint?
We can now be assured that the purpose of these Zionists is to destroy any semblance of opposition, where ever it may survive.
If I was an ordinary Jewish person by race or religion, would I really appreciate the almost "Phoenix" revival of the recorded reasons for the hatred of Jews?
But like the Zionists, we must take no prisoners if we are entitled to that opinion.
If the slow but insidious Zionist restrictions of the search engines continues, whether by direct purchase of decency or by threats of boycotts - what is left to the people of any democracy?
The Zionist controlled media has gone quiet on the Middle East Murders.
Why is that so? Is there a diversionary reason?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted on http://yourdemocracy.net.au/
In My Honest Opinion.
ReplyDeleteI found this when Googling jew watch com/
"Google will place sites on certain blacklists if they are illegal. A search for "Jew" in some country-specific Google versions shows Jew Watch removed from Google in Germany and Jew Watch removed from Google in France (compare again Default Google "Jew" search ). See the Localized Google search result exclusions report by Benjamin Edelman and Jonathan Zittrain , which investigated certain web material banned in various countries. and Google Censorship - How It Works by Seth Finkelstein . Google has in the past blacklisted a site which was not illegal, in Chester's Guide to Molesting Google ."
"But that way lies madness, and Google has sound reasons to duck the issues as much as it can. But it may not have a choice."
"Ironically, all the controversy has probably raised the JewWatch.com site rank and relevance within Google's algorithms. For a while, the site lost its service provider and dropped in ranking. But then - very predictably - came back, around April 22. Since then, its status has varied (see updates)."
Conclusion
"Google ranks popularity, not authority. And popularity is a measure which is vulnerable to many games. Any system of evaluation is subject to manipulation."
This seems to me to be an explanation from Google that what is written on the site http://jewwatch.com/ is not considered to be illegal? "Google will place sites on certain blacklists if they are illegal" must confirm that.
The petition to cease any considered criticism of anything concerning the word "Jew" is not only anti-democratic but is another Zionist attack on free speech. We may lean toward believing that - at least - the Jews must not own Google? Yet?
Perhaps we should all take a copy before the facts or alternative opinions to those controlled by the Zionists disappears even from the modern technology in which I had put so much faith.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://webdiary-crippled.blogspot.com/
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.. good work & g'day Ern
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I googled a few of the words Ern quoted, and found this:
AEJ 05 ResnickL CTP Googling Hate: Hate Speech,
First Amendment Ideology, and the World Wide Web
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This paper was presented at the Association for Education in Journalism and Mass Communication in San Antonio, Texas August 2005.
«According to Jew Watch, entertainment and news media are also controlled by Jews; the site links to an article which states:
Once we have absorbed and understood the fact of Jewish media control, it is our inescapable responsibility to do whatever is necessary to break that control. We must shrink from nothing in combating this evil power that has fastened its deadly grip on our people and is injecting its lethal poison into their minds and souls. If we fail to destroy it, it certainly will destroy our race.»[msu.edu/Googling Hate vs. 1st Amendment]
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Notice first, that I quote from an article found by googling Ern's quoted words, that article itself quotes the Jew Watch site quoting from yet another site. Notice second, that as the becoming hackneyed 'old saw' has it "One can find anything on the net," which attempts to say - in a cack-handed and negative way, that one must be critical of whatever one finds - with the snide implication that deliberately misleading info is too often found. (Odd? Agendas, anyone?) Now, a loose translation from a real German 'old saw:' "The people on the streets *must* talk; whether they talk sense or not is irrelevant, I don't worry about it."
What is interesting is that this is more evidence that Google can't keep its hands in its own pockets.
Also interesting, is the formulation "Hate Speech" and once again, the Jewish connection, then our very own bête noire[1], the ADL.
Now notice one other thing. All the kerfuffle here was originally instigated by some Jewish person. Why that? (Hint: Can it be that some Jewish person(s) draw interest to themselves, for not wholly good reasons? Like murdering to steal land and water, say? Like in Gaza, 2008/9? Or Lebanon, 2006? Or, say, pretty-well continuously since 1948? Hmmm?)
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I've recently written, that the one and only person on this once jewel-like planet who knows - or can know - what I want or do not want to read is my own good self. Accordingly, no other person should take it upon him/herself to 'help' me, and 'disappear' any info. Long story short: censorship is undemocratic, if not actually criminal (as usual with exceptions, i.e., I have encouraged a minor of my acquaintance *not* to watch much, even any, TV. A responsible and correct modus operandi - always, of course and 'only' IMHO.)
I agree with Ern; that where there's smoke there's likely to be fire, on a 99% confidence basis. I recall the newspaper "The Australian" and its own "hate-speech" campaign against the then democratically elected Prime Minister of Australia, one E. G. Whitlam. (Yeah! Good old Gough! On yer, comrade!)
My comment: Newspapers do not elect (or un-elect) any particular politician so much, as they poison the electorate. There is a difference, the same difference I refer to below when I mention 'common carrier.' The notional function of any newspaper, or the MSM in general, is to bring us the news, all the news and only the news - as opposed to (fithy, lying) propaganda. That the (venal! Corrupt!) MSM tells us lies, and in particular the AusBC and/or SBS (both publicly financed) is *deeply* undemocratic - and should be made totally, fiercely punishably illegal. More evidence that our so-called democracies are (terminally?) stuffed.
Once more; long story short: it *may* be coincidence, that theAus was/is the 'possession' of a Jewish person called Murdoch (see DL's newly referred-to site called Murdoch's Propagandists) and that theAus conducted a scurrilous, anti-democratic campaign, etc.. The reader may decide - that's possibly the one and only true democratic way. But one can't decide anything unless one can examine all (well, most) of the facts - a process that censorship actively hinders. Ergo, what Google is attempting, with its censorship - on whatever grounds - is undemocratic. Boo! Hiss!
Fazit: Google is 'only' a search engine, after all. All it has to do is be truthful - declare itself as a 'common carrier' whereby it only *channels* info (i.e. is not responsible for content - and really daaarlings, how could it possibly be?) - without fear or favour. That would not only be fair, it'd not be caving in to any (non!)special interests, however unfair (criminal?)
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ReplyDeleteWe – the people – can only hope.
ReplyDeleteI googled the ABC Board and found this article by Emma Rodgers, ABC Parliamentary Correspondent – April 1…
“Julianne Schultz and Michael Lynch are the first two directors to be appointed to the ABC board under a new process implemented by the Federal Government to make the system more transparent.
Confirming the appointments today, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy also announced Elleni Bereded-Samuel and Joseph Skrzynski as the two new directors appointed to the SBS board.
"The Rudd Government has made a strong commitment to ensure the future strength and independence of our national broadcasters," Senator Conroy said.
"These merit-based appointments demonstrate our resolve to remove political interference and restore independence to the ABC and SBS boards," he said” End of quote.
Let’s hope that these people can override the Howard appointees to bring back some independence to the publicly funded ABC and SBS.
First Cab of the rank should be the axing of the Barry Cassidy/Andrew Bolt “love the capitalists show” called appropriately “the Insiders”.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://yourdemocracy.net.au/objectivitytoterrorism
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.. these broadcasters are quisling traitors
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G'day Ern,
any change at the 'top,' however apparently meaningful - or not, is merely shuffling the deck-chairs (IMHO!) Without revealing any tin-foil-hat tendency, we can say this: the so-called 'coal-face' of news dissemination is worked upon by so-called 'professionals,' let's say types like Kerry O'Brien and Fran Kelly (naming one of the better and one of the utterly idiotic worst), both of whom have over time 'presented' more or less propaganda. To give a concrete example of what I'm talking about, try looking at this little bewdy:
«Coming up, what you pay at the gas pump may depend on what happens in the Persian Gulf. And next, we're going to give you an inside look at who's protecting some of the world's biggest oil reserves. You might be surprised.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HOLMES: The Iraqi navy on point getting ready to take over the sole responsibility of guarding the country's most precious resource.
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STACY: We will not allow them to fail. We will ensure that we are there alongside them to ensure that, yes, they are protecting the infrastructure of Iraq. In fact, they're securing the future of Iraq.
ROBERTSON: The stakes are high. Failure here would impact world oil markets with inevitable repercussions for the global economy.
Nic Robertson, CNN, on the al Basra oil terminal in the Persian Gulf.»[CNN via SBS]
There is nothing even mildly sophisticated about that item, the US (B, B & H) are saving our (4WD/SUV) petrol supplies by illegally invading then brutally occupying Iraq (100s of 1000s if not 1mio+ dead), otherwise you may be unable to buy petrol.Although each of B, B & H are basically now consigned to the rubbish-bin of history, the occupation/control of Iraq will continue, however 'disguised' and the war in Afghanistan (pipeline; carpet gold/bombs) never stopped but is being revved-up - by the regimes that replaced those of B, B & H. So much for 'change we can believe in' - and the (corrupt & venal) news organizations, including the AusBC and SBS are fully 'on board.'
I personally blame the AusBC for misleading me about the 60+ bloody years long murder for land and water by the Israeli/Zionist regime via the (offensive!) IDF. We have recently (23Mar'06) been informed as to why, it's called the Israel Lobby.
Fazit: There can be no justice until the lies are stopped. Such a change from the AusBC and SBS is (IMHO!) extremely unlikely. The only chance would be for the sheople to wake up - even less likely than the proverbial flying pigs.
The question becomes Q: How can we live in such an unjust world? A: We keep on keeping on - pointing out the lies, and the observable fact that the liars have no justification other than being evil, and that evil reflects on their intelligence - or more accurately, the defects thereof.
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ReplyDeleteJust thinking, reasoning and logic.
ReplyDeleteEven though the methods of the Jewish Zionists have been creatively insidious - over the last century at least - their controlled propaganda about themselves is becoming painfully obvious.
Especially in T/V entertainment.
Mind you, to be fair - a thought that the Zionists would consider as weakness – I have only become interested in this subject since the cowardly blockade; invasion and slaughter by the “Middle East Murderers” in Gaza.
As they say – one thing led to another - and the fact that the crimes of the Zionists have been so carefully hidden behind a dedicated form of suppression one has to take the time to think and reason.
The anger; outrage and false indignity of the Zionists when they are confronted with the same laws – both legal and humane as those applied (even by US force) to every other race or religion in the world – only whets my interest and confirms my belief in the dominant aspirations of the US/Israeli unholy alliance.
I note in Aljazeera that Israel will not co-operate with the UN
An Israeli foreign ministry spokesperson has confirmed to Al Jazeera that it will not co-operate with a United Nations investigation into alleged war crimes during the 22-day assault on the Gaza Strip.
Up to 1,300 Palestinians, mostly women and children were killed before Israel ended the offensive in January.
Thirteen Israelis, 10 of them soldiers, were killed during the same period.
The UN Human Rights Council has appointed Richard Goldstone, a South African judge and former UN war crimes prosecutor, to examine claims of human rights violations by both Israeli forces and Palestinian fighters during the conflict.
Any semblance of criticism of the Zionists’ God-given right to kill the citizens and of any nation (and their animals) that opposes the occupying forces in Palestine and their “rightful” ever-expanding seizure of land and water – will be ignored.
So – these US supported and illegal Middle East Murderers do not recognise any law or authority except the Zionist law of “the perfect race” no matter what the latter does? Could that mean that they consider themselves a potential haven for current and future Jewish international criminals? And that would mean…..?
If the “free world” continues to be pre-occupied in dealing with the financial ruin that the US Wall Street blunderers (or organisers) have caused, then the Jews occupying Palestine can continue the horrible cost to humanity in those immediate areas of their intended expansion.
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Just thinking, reasoning and logic.
ReplyDeleteEven though the methods of the Jewish Zionists have been creatively insidious - over the last century at least - their controlled propaganda about themselves is becoming painfully obvious.
Especially in T/V entertainment.
Mind you, to be fair - a thought that the Zionists would consider as weakness – I have only become interested in this subject since the cowardly blockade; invasion and slaughter by the “Middle East Murderers” in Gaza.
As they say – one thing led to another - and the fact that the crimes of the Zionists have been so carefully hidden previously behind a dedicated form of suppression one has to take the time to research think and reason.
The anger; outrage and false indignity of the Zionists when they are confronted with the same laws – both legal and humane as those applied (even by US force) to every other race or religion in the world – only whets my interest and confirms my belief in the dominant aspirations of the US/Israeli unholy alliance.
I note in Aljazeera that Israel will not co-operate with the UN investigation on Gaza:
"An Israeli foreign ministry spokesperson has confirmed to Al Jazeera that it will not co-operate with a United Nations investigation into alleged war crimes during the 22-day assault on the Gaza Strip."
"Up to 1,300 Palestinians, mostly women and children were killed before Israel ended the offensive in January."
"Thirteen Israelis, 10 of them soldiers, were killed during the same period."
"The UN Human Rights Council has appointed Richard Goldstone, a South African judge and former UN war crimes prosecutor, to examine claims of human rights violations by both Israeli forces and Palestinian fighters during the conflict." [Read slaughter]
This is - to what purpose - when the real criminals are untouchable?
Any semblance of criticism of the Zionists’ God-given right to kill the citizens of any nation (and their animals) that opposes the occupying forces in Palestine and their “rightful” ever-expanding seizure of land and water – will be ignored.
So – these US supported and illegal Middle East Murderers do not recognise any law or authority except the Zionist law of “the perfect race” no matter what the latter does? Could that mean that they consider themselves a potential haven for current and future Jewish international criminals? And that would mean…..?
If the “free world” continues to be pre-occupied in dealing with the financial ruin that the US Wall Street blunderers (or organisers) have caused, then the Jews occupying Palestine can continue the horrible cost to humanity in those immediate areas of their intended expansion.
BTW - are those desperate defenders of Gaza still firing their pitiful tokens of resistance?
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Just in case there is any doubt about the crimes of the Zionist Israel.
ReplyDeleteThis excerpt from the Charter of Human Rights was signed by both Israel and the US.
Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.
Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Comment: Is Israel entitled to these four Articles? If not – anyone can attack them at any time? Is Palestine entitled to these four Articles? If not - why not? Add the following:
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
The Contracting Parties,
Having considered the declaration made by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution 96 (I) dated 11 December 1946 that
genocide is a crime under international law, contrary to the spirit and aims of the United Nations and condemned by the civilized world….
Article I: The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.
Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
Add to that the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
WHY do we allow it?
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A point of interest?
ReplyDeleteWhilst the "ethnic clensing" of WD started during 2008, it is interesting to note that there was a significant change in December 2008.
The Jewish MSM have gone quiet on the Middle East Murderers as indeed has WD.
Is this the insidious behaviour that almost totally took over Germany during their punishment for WW II? It was declared Russian Communism but - the major players were Jews - Marx; Lenin: Trotsky and even Joseph Stalin.
Interesting eh?
NE OUBLIE.
What can be the "united cause" - I wonder.
NE OUBLIE.
So the US will boycott the Conference on Racism?
ReplyDeleteBush is gone but the unelected Zionists still run US foreign policy. Where is the badly needed desire to take away the “crown of thorns” from that racist/terrorist regime based on the worst style of hypocrisy?
Why do genuine civilised nations bother to invite the Zionist controlled US when the subject they seek to resolve is inconsistent with the expansionist plans of the Middle East Murderers?
Regardless of their rhetoric, the Obama administration is still subservient to the racist Israel Lobby. Surely this must lead to yet another anti-racist conflict? The US is the only nation who has financially gained by war; terrorism and massive interference in the affairs of countries who would be more comfortable without their "patronage".
I quote part of the SMH report today: “Possible participation by Washington remained on the table, pending the changes, even after it was learned Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would attend.” [He at least is anti-racist].
“Pro-Israel groups in the United States vehemently opposed US participation while human rights advocates and organisations like TransAfrica and members of the Congressional Black Caucus thought it was important to attend.”
“The American Israel Public Affairs Committee applauded Obama's decision to boycott, saying it "underscores America's unstinting commitment to combating intolerance and racism in all its forms and in all settings". [Struth]
Comment: So the only fascist group in the world today, who are committing racist massacres on innocent Arabs for the purpose of stealing their land, tells the world’s biggest terrorist nation not to be involved in a conference whose outcome would not have been endorsed anyway – if it didn’t suit Israel!!! Fair dinkum.
The absolute hypocrisy of the US is enough for me to argue that they should never be allowed to “lead the world” again - in any capacity.
It is so frustrating to understand what is going on in the world today and watch, read and listen to the Zionist propaganda, whether it is from the Jew Murdoch’s Australia-wide influence or the Jews who control the financial and foreign affairs of the US.
Again I think about my childhood propaganda which was pre-WWII based on information about the “Phoenix” revival of the German people subsequent to their unprecedented “crucifixion” by the powers that be. What if the holocaust had never happened – as continually claimed - would Hitler and his European fascists be entitled to the same consideration as Napoleon?
And Obama - the more things change the more they stay the same? The honeymoon with decent, fair and civilised nations is just about over.
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Australia's Shame!
ReplyDeletePro-Zionist and anti-Arab human rights is here too.
As a Labor voter, I would never have thought that the oldest political party in Australia would bow to the groundless bitches of the Zionists. It makes me sick to my stomach.
Carefully think and reason at the jointly used reasons by the Zionists and their power lobbies in the US and Australia – for not attending the Conference.
To me, those pitiful excuses are just another demand for special rights due to the fact that the United Nations have issued at least 101 censures against the Middle East Murderers without any effect at all. And the Zionists say – so what? So why not say so again? Could it be that because THEY are racists they must try to avoid the implication that it is so – even as were the people who caused the holocaust against the Jews.
Surely, since they are all a part of the UN, then the indignity of not attending a UN conference because it may condemn the racism + guilt of the Zionists, is really a confession that the charge is correct? Note who doesn’t condemn racism by implication and the Albatross that they must wear in the eyes of an ever suffering world.
The tendency of the UN to try to be even-handed is continuously vetoed or ignored by the Zionists and their allies.
I can write here about the reasons why ALL countries should attend a Conference regarding racism, organised by the United Nations of the world, but that seems to me to be unnecessary and pointless.
Given the Bush/Obama/Netanyahu regimes and their one-eyed ignorance of simple human rights issues and natural justice - it is reasonable to believe that THEY should be the ones submitting to the entire world WHY their crimes of racism are acceptable and not others?
And what better venue than a Conference for that purpose?
My article entitled: "Just in case there is any doubt about the crimes of the Zionist Israel." of 19 April is surely sufficient to confirm that the Zionists of new Israel are guilty of crimes against humanity - crimes against children - and all that because an Arab race of people own the land they are stealing! And after that…..?
Howard always supported the Bush regime no matter what and I - with perhaps millions of other Australians - hoped for a new beginning with his dismissal to the US to sing with the Zionists, "Long Live America". Fair dinkum.
I would wish and pray that all voters of whatever political persuasion would write to their representatives in the Commonwealth Parliament and protest the anti-Australian attitude of ignoring a concerted attempt to reduce or eliminate racism - not matter what happens to the guilty Zionists!
They do not subscribe to any civilised law anyway.
Wake up Australia - even we are not safe from the control of the Zionists now that our Government has shown that there is also foreign control of what should be independent sovereign attitudes.
NE OUBLIE.
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most trolls are r-wing liars ...
ReplyDelete.. and their 'targets' are honest lefties ...
.. that's 'just' the nature of the (ugly!) troll-beasts
-=*=-
G'day Ern,
Re: Your 'ethnic cleansing' ... started during 2008. Your problems 'over there' may only have begun or become critical last year, but others have had similar trouble down through many years, there's 'hard' evidence dating from 2006 - which would indicate that problems were actually appearing before that, since usually only after a certain point (of outrage from injustice!) does a problem begin to be documented.
It's actually a badge of honour 'over here' to have been (cruelly!) victimised 'over there;' and it is to your eternal credit that you spied the Zionist criminality, essentially off your own bat. I have mentioned that I personally blame the AusBC for - let us say, unbalanced reporting? (Spade as shovel: they conduit lies, they must do it consciously - or otherwise they're utterly incompetent; you choose.) As my headline indicates, it is by the very the nature of truth seekers that we end up opposing the status quo supporting liars, and the murdering-theft criminality that they seek to conceal or disguise.
Not many people may have read about, or if so, have considered the reason for - the relationship between the Zionist Jews and Russian Communism.
ReplyDeleteThe ironic situation was that post WW 2, we Australians were led to believe that the Russian Communists were the enemies of world freedom but – in fact - the leaders of that nation were Zionist Jews, even since the 1917 revolution, including Marx; Lenin: Trotsky and Joseph Stalin.
The Jewish involvement at that time was recorded but not appreciated by the post WW I trauma of the oxymoron – the Great World War.
However, how many knew that the powers of the Communists – before and during the revolution of 1917 – and during the murders of the Christian Tsar and his family – and the purge of the Christians opposed to this type of politics - the criminals in fact, were the leaders of the Zionists?
Doesn’t this indicate that the Zionist objective has no bounds? Or, that it can be satisfied by mediation?
Did the Cult of Mount Zion insidiously capture the genuine Jewish belief of trying to revive a new Israel [irrespective of its title] at least since the opportunity presented itself by the revolution in 1917?
Where do these Zionists get their power to create such a disturbance in the financial affairs of the entire western world? Especially since their origins are Semitic.
Is it the real objective of the Zionists by militarily stealing the Palestinian lands and water - a satisfactory conclusion to the demands of the Cult of Mount Zion?
Only time will tell but – history repeats the unsatisfactory existence of a race of interminably “unhappy” people who believes the “world owes them a living”.
Leopards do not change their spots.
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How hypocritical can we get?
ReplyDeleteQ 1. Why is a speech about racism banned at a conference on Racism?
Q 2. If all national delegations who attend a conference on racism are not racist – or don’t know any nations which are racist – what is the purpose of the Conference and -since they are all so angelic – what would they know about racism anyway?
Q 3. The countries who boycotted the conference (including Australia) on the suspicion that the outcome would not be to their liking – were pre-judging and would not have contributed anything IF they did so - as reported - to protect the most racist and murderous invader in the world today – new Israel?
Q 4. The delegations who left as soon as the Iranian President began his speech, obviously did so because they were not prepared to take part in a debate which would even dare to consider condemning (or even defending0 a known racist cult. Why is that so?
Q 5. How many of the 23 nations which boycotted or walked out of the Conference would have voted for or against the Zionist race which is currently occupying the Arab state of Palestine?
Q 6. IF the brave delegations really concerned themselves with the very purpose of the Conference, they would have had to vote on the Zionist racist policies or abstain? This would have exposed them in the free world’s independent media (however limited) as either in favour or against the racism of the Zionists or abstain. The latter would have shown their impotence in any real debate on the subject matter.
Q 7. Were the 101 United Nations resolutions condemning the Zionist cult as racist – or were there genuine concerns about the racist policies of the occupiers of Palestine?
The United Nations has just received a bloody nose from people whose forbears, of most of them, had tried so hard to make it work, only to have it become a “paper tiger” in the service of its host, the US.
I am ashamed of my country for not even having the guts to make a binding decision on a matter which is so clear by any measure of the United Nations Charter.
NE OUBLIE.
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Quick response.
ReplyDeleteG'day Ern,
well analysed, good comments and better questions. One really has to ask "What's going on here?" - especially with publicly-funded broadcasters - looks to me like they are making a potentially dangerous mountain out of an inconsequential molehill. Worse, so far I see nothing much too negative in Ahmadinejad's speech; in fact quite the contrary. As you say, it looks a lot like the true villains are running for cover - i.e. the ones that walked out of the chamber.
Sound the Freedom alarms.
ReplyDeleteZionist power corrupts - absolute Zionist power corrupts absolutely.
This morning I was about to write an article which had its origin in Jew watch com but I was distracted. This afternoon I had time but the site had radically changed and the main section of Jew Watch disappeared!!!
I did however find this on http://discovervancouver.com/forum/Jew-Watch-t129160.html
"A few weeks ago I got really, really steamed when I learned the powerful Jewish lobby, here and abroad, took extraordinary measures to block two websites critical of them. One is Jew Watch.com, the other is Wake up Amercia. The "Wake up America" site is the grandaddy of all sites like thesel--a virtual library of facts and fugures you would never see in any university library, or in any newspaper, magazine, Hollywood film, TV station, blah, blah..."
"These sites are not hate sites. Still, the Jewish lobby tried to shut them down. They got into a big tussle with Google by swarming PageRank (a system for ranking web pages) with their counter measures, but in the end they failed. I was told also (from a reliable source) they desperately tried to infect a few million PC end-users with malicious code to cause slow-downs and crashes, thus barring access, but they failed here too. Imagine that! They may control most newspapers in Noirth America but they don't control the internet. Not yet, at least. We can thank the folks at Google for not buckling under."
"It's time to even the score."
"Fair is fair. The Jewish community wants you to forever remember, for example, the holocaust but no discussion is allowed as to WHY it happened. Crying ANTI-SEMITISM just doesn't cut it any more. To repeat, these sites are not hate sites. They are scholarly and objectively presented, factual and balanced, and worth bookmarking."
www.jewwatch.com and www.wake-up-america.net
Remember, it has already happened in Germany and France - how can we possibly stop this cancerous growth without some knowledge of what they are doing to us - this time?
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It seems that there are subtle variations?
ReplyDeleteIt appears that there are several "jew watch" formats - one I call the original and others which have a more pro-Zionist stance.
Apologies if I have caused any concerns but it shook me since I can imagine how powerful these control freaks really are.
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What did he say?
ReplyDeleteThe hide of that Iranian President Ahmadinejad to openly inform the world of the facts concerning the Gaza holocaust and beyond. Why wasn’t he muzzled?
Similarity: The Sri-Lankan government advised the "rebels" that they should leave their "colony" or be subdued - and the media felt sorry for the oppressed.
The Zionist Jews used their Navy to blockade the Gaza sea escape routes to safety while their unopposed military surrounded the land mass - and then they killed (murdered) 1,200 + people, who they had made sure could not escape, in 22 days - mostly women and children! With the unforgiveable loss of 10 Zionist-called “soldiers” and 3 civilians.
And the Iranian President stated that they were "cruel" - how dare he?
Almost all of Palestine is now occupied by the Zionist Jews with their apartheid policies of discrimination. Compare that attitude to their saviours - the Palestine government of pre-1946 who welcomed and sympathised with the so-called "victims of the holocaust", blissfully unaware that the Zionists had prepared well in advance to take over the land of these "untermenschen" farmers.
And the Iranian President stated that they were “racist” – how dare he?
So let’s be fair dinkum about the Iranian President. He, and hopefully his people, are not going to be murdered without repercussions but can they convince the world that THEY are the victims?
Even the teaching of the cult of Mount Zion is murderous oagainst any non-Jew who even criticises their God’s command for them to take over the entire world.
We, in the webdiary-crippled and yourdemocracy forums are lucky to be able to speak out against the blatantly dishonest mis-information of the so-called Main Stream Media – primarily controlled by Zionist Jews.
The Iranian President is perhaps the only safety valve against domination of the Middle East resources and its people - and his refusal to allow his citizens to be enslaved by the threats of the Zionists is being portrayed - by their control of information - as a threat to peace! Fair dinkum.
If many people have to suffer even more for the Zionist ambitions of world supremacy, then I want my country to stand up for the underdog as was, and still should be, our Australian values.
If, before it becomes ineffectual the world will hopefully treat the Gaza holocaust as an example of the Zionist hypocrisy.
NE OUBLIE.
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Googled from www.aljazeera.english
ReplyDeleteIsrael defends army's Gaza conduct
An internal Israeli investigation has concluded that the country's military acted in accordance with international law during the recent war in Gaza.
Reporting its findings on Wednesday, the military rejected allegations of war crimes from human rights groups and some UN officials.
The groups had criticised the Israeli army's conduct during the three-week offensive. [Why wasn’t that simply dismissed as anti-Semite?]
The army "maintained a high professional and moral level while facing an enemy that aimed to terrorise Israeli civilians", the Israel Defence Forces (IDF), as the military in Israel is called, said in a statement.
It said it conducted five separate investigations into some of its actions during the war, including attacks on and near UN and international facilities and the use in densely populated areas of white phosphorous, a chemical agent that causes severe burns.
But human-rights groups renewed their calls for an independent inquiry.
Al Jazeera's Jacky Rowland, reporting from Jerusalem, said both Israeli and international human rights groups have criticised the internal investigation.
"They said a couple of weeks ago that it was completely inappropriate that an army should be investigating itself," she said.
"The other question is how these findings will be received by the Israeli public ... and they as a whole have been lulled into this narrative according to which the Israeli army is the most moral army in the world.
"So in a way, this report will be falling on very willing ears - it will be telling the Israeli public a version of events that they want to hear."
Up to 1,300 Palestinians, mostly women and children, were killed during the 22-day assault on the Gaza Strip.
Thirteen Israelis, 10 of them soldiers, were killed during the same period.
COMMENT: As if one was necessary. The lesson to be learned here is that the extreme Zionist "government" led by Netanyahu has already stated that none of their forces would even be charged with crimes against humanity.
The never-ending Jewish stealing of Arab land plus their Apartheid policies, added to their system of killing to achieve their way, should have given the entire world another lesson in what happens when Zionists form a dictatorial group like their Communist leaders in the USSR.
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G'day Orana,
ReplyDeleteTerrific report on the conference speech by the Iranian President.
I wonder how many Zionist Jews are being employed to silence him?
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Well might we say - welcome to some truth.
ReplyDeleteOn the ABC T/V Midday Report, we learn for the first time, how the Zionists' unholy attack on the Commonwealth War Graves in northern Gaza and the destruction of some 300 of the graves and their headstones. There are 263 Australians buried there along with British casualties from both world wars.
The reporter showed the significantly large cemetery and described it as a beautiful area while he interviewed the distraught Arab who has looked after it for many decades.
The Zionists, who directed the Gaza slaughter, kept lying that their "soldiers" who carried out the murders - were the most "moral army" in the world.
If their technological weapons from their sponsor the US, allowed them to accurately home in on specific targets how did they manage to destroy Gaza and kill 1300 people in 22 days?
How did they manage to desecrate our war graves if their US weapons were so selective? What moral is there for that behaviour?
One of my brothers served in the Middle East including Palestine in WW II - fortunately he returned but - if his grave had been so atheistically destroyed, our family would never forgive or forget the bandits that did it.
But - it would be the bandits that did it – not the rest of the world!
The reporter said that the Gazans are trying to repair the Jewish destruction but because of the blockade, on land and sea, they cannot get the material.
What will the Australian Government do about that? Perhaps with enough ransom the Zionists may allow us to re-consecrate our dead?
Gaza is rated by the UN as the most densely populated land on earth - but the Zionists say that they still managed to slip in between them all - and desecrate the British/Australian war memorial. Fair dinkum.
Surely by now, even with the crimes of the Zionist Jews being severely censored, we still learn enough from the residue to convict them of war crimes over and over.
These crimes should not go unpunished while the US threatens Iran for being suspected by the Zionists of having nuclear power stations.
The future of both enlightened civilisation and the enforcement of International Law are directly under threat by the un-fettered aggression of the Zionists Jews.
The self proclaimed “policemen” of the world, the United States of America, can only maintain that mantle if it applies equal values to ALL nations, not just those who have the money.
NE OUBLIE.
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No laws against greed or US backed murder?
ReplyDeleteWill the Zionists become another French Foreign Legion of world criminals? And for what purpose?
I cannot believe that there are actually some supposedly "democratic" countries who have banned any spoken or written word considered as anti-Semitic!
Time for a quick look at the facts and the big picture.
According to Wikipedia, there are four branches acknowledged as being Semitic – they are North Arabic – Aramaic – Ethiopic and Canaanitic (Hebrew). These were ancient tribes who were identified mainly by their language.
The “annexed” plea of “anti-Semitic” does not in reality only apply to the wandering tribe that conquered Canaan. And after “mediating” with the Cult of Mount Zion, they wiped out all the people and animals of the various “untermenschen” tribes of that area - to eventually bring into being the states of Israel and Judah - separated by the various sub-tribes.
That’s my rough way of saying that the anti-Semitic criticism or respect for it, only applies to the Hebrew branch of Semites - is false and should be accepted as so.
However, the Zionists have for centuries attempted to “annex” some other land for that which they lost, probably to the Romans or the Ottomans. The impartial Jury is out on the issue of Palestine being the original Israel because that is inconsistent with independent maps re the history of the biblical Middle East.
So, keeping on-topic, the very Jewish claim (and I mean Jewish, not necessarily Zionist) that they have been treated badly by the rest of humanity – for no justifiable reason - is a bit hard to swallow. Fair dinkum.
It seems that, no matter which country they have chosen in the Diaspora, they have still finished up wealthy and with enormous media influence on the politics, even to a point where they can dictate WHO is Semite and the claim of mistreatment is theirs, and theirs alone.
Again as the wise King Abdullah said in 1946, there can be no settlement of the Palestine question without the good will and understanding of the US. At the time of his speech, the incursion of the murderous Zionists was just a small percentage – and now the reverse is true – the Palestinians have very little of their country left to them and the Zionists are determined to take that too.
Well might Howard join with the Zionists in the US to sing “God Save America”.
NE OUBLIE.
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Why does America cover up this?
ReplyDeleteCover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty – (From Wikipedia)
A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said retired Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
Torpedo hole in USS Liberty
"Why would our government put Israel's interests ahead of our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants Congress to investigate. [Newsday]
And conversely - typical of US policy of hypocrisy – also from Wikipedia:
BAY OF TONKIN LIE
Congress responded to LBJ's call to arms,
giving him a veritable blank check to make war.
The Bay of Tonkin incident where a North Vietnamese PT boat allegedly attacked a USA warship was the excuse the government of USA used to go full throttle into Vietnam. By that time JFK had conveniently met with an unfortunate death and so they could do whatever they wanted. It's what they'd wanted to do in Cuba at the Bay of Pigs.
When JFK was alive only 42 Americans had died in Vietnam and he was planning to bring all the troops home. But after his death his plans were reversed and nearly 60,000 troops died over there and thousands were captured and held prisoner. ~ Jackie Jura
Tonkin incident might not have occurred
by Bob Richter, San Antonia Express News, Aug 3, 2002
AUSTIN - Thirty-eight years ago Sunday, network television was interrupted at 11:36 p.m. EDT so President Lyndon B. Johnson could tell the nation that U.S. warships in a place called the Gulf of Tonkin had been attacked by North Vietnamese PT boats.
In response to what he described as "open aggression on the open seas," Johnson ordered U.S. airstrikes on North Vietnam. The airstrikes opened the door to a war that would kill 1 million Vietnamese and 58,000 Americans and divide the nation along class and generational lines.
Over the years, debate has swirled around whether U.S. ships actually were attacked that night, or whether, as some sceptics suggest, the Johnson administration staged or provoked an event to get congressional authority to act against North Vietnam. Recently released tapes of White House phone conversations indicate the attack probably never happened. The tapes, released by the LBJ Library at the University of Texas at Austin, include 51 phone conversations from Aug. 4 and 5, 1964, when the Tonkin Gulf incident occurred.
COMMENT: Truth – Justice and – abhor the American way. (Of starting wars)
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Report: Turkey To Break With NATO On Iran
ReplyDeleteDavid Bedein – The Bulletin May 7, 2009
A report issued by the Washington Institute says Turkey has moved steadily away from its NATO allies and toward Iran, Russia and Syria.
The report, titled “The AKP’s Foreign Policy: The Misnomer of Neo-Ottomanism” and authored by senior researcher Soner Cagaptay, says Turkey’s new foreign policy — led by the ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP according to its Turkish initials — has come at the expense of Ankara’s relations with Israel, the European Union and the United States.
“Ankara will likely opt out of a NATO consensus on Iran, clash with the United States on how to handle Hamas and Hezbollah, and disagree with the EU and the U.S. on Russia,” the report said.
The report says Turkey has developed friendlier relations with Russia and the Islamic world than with the West. Mr. Cagaptay cited Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Syria as examples of Turkey’s growing ties in the Islamic world.
“The AKP’s foreign policy has a weakness for Arab Islamists and their causes,” the report said. “The policy shows empathy towards Middle East Muslims and Islamists, though the same empathy is missing towards non-Muslims and non-Middle Eastern issues. Business deals play an important role in sustaining the stronger ties that Turkey is developing with Russia, the Persian Gulf states, Sudan and Iran.”
At the same time, Turkey refused to support Georgia during its brief war with Russia in 2008. The report said Turkey has also ignored its Central Asian neighbors, such as Azerbaijan and Georgia, to focus on relations with Russia.
Mr. Cagaptay wrote AKP, most of whose leaders speak Arabic and were educated in Muslim schools, has divided the world in religious blocs — either Christian or Muslim. AKP, which won power in 2002 and dominates parliament, has avoided criticism of Iran’s nuclear program while maintaining ties with Tehran’s proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah.
“It [AKP] is pro-Hamas, pro-Syria, pro-Hezbollah, pro-Qatar, pro-Saudi,” the report said. “The AKP views the world as composed of religious blocs, and this disposition colors its views of the Middle East and the world.”
http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/05/07/news/world/doc4a0283268e208619237525.txt
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Research; think; reason and logic.
ReplyDeleteIf it is possible to remove emotion from the Gaza Holocaust and the Hebrew claims to the Palestine lands - just looking at the big picture can help.
For example:
RESEARCH and history discloses that the ancient Arabs (Egypt etc) were not only civilised before the birth of a Hebrew nation but, the "established" Arabs, were the owners by possession and culture of the contested area long before the Exodus. The acknowledgement of the Hebrew tribes as Canaanitic Arabs came later after they united and defeated the people of Canaan.
THEREFORE the claim that ancient Israel or Judah was the original “nation” in Palestine is false since the Hebrew tribes needed to massacre the inhabitants of the many cities of the Canaanite people to gain their land. In fact, recorded history shows that after the capture of Canaan, the original Hebrews who were in fact Arabic (desert) tribes were then acknowledged and called Canaanitic. So - the first historic acceptance of the Hebrew speaking people as an entity seems to be their conquering of Canaan.
RESEARCH and history discloses that Jerusalem was NOT an original Hebrew city but was in fact called Jebus and was populated by the Jebusites who were also massacred by the Hebrews led by King David. (Refer the Books of Samuel).
THEREFORE Jerusalem was originally a Jebusite city before it was re-named by the conquering King David and the claim that it was the Hebrew sacred site only came about by the military campaign against its citizens. Again not a fair dinkum claim.
RESEARCH and history disclose that the contested land changed “overlords” many times but, was a part of the Arab world as Palestine for some thousands of years. The Palestinians allowed immigration especially in the 20th century of the displaced (Diaspora)Hebrews mainly from Russia and Europe.
THEREFORE the immigrants to Palestine, no matter of what religion or race, were accepted on face value to begin with. Later the Zionists, again mainly from the USSR began agitating for Palestine to become theirs on the false basis of a “time selective” ancient right. They used unbridled terrorism against all and sundry to force their claim even though very few were even born in Palestine.
It was, on the 15th May 1946, a rebellion by the Hebrew underground military establishment when they declared the State of Israel against the protests of the Palestinian people.
COMMENT: The Hebrew Canaanitic Arabs (identified by language) may use their worship of the “Golden Calf” and its military supporters to subdue the farmers of Palestine but their crimes will surely be punished eventually by the poorer victims who are infinitely more dedicated to martyrdom now than they have ever been.
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When will they learn?
ReplyDeleteIMHO the “might is right” attitude to invasion and oppression should have died with the last of the Monarchy wars – the “Great War to end all wars” of 1914-18.
For the first time in history several changes were made to the politician’s wars for financial gain, irrespective of the outcome - Kings and Military commanders remained behind the lines and out of harm’s way – sort of “follow me I am right behind you”.
As far as I am concerned, the United States of America is the only imperialist nation in history to have created and selected wars, large and small, simply for a monetary gain to their Military/Corporate conglomerates. It increases the invention and use of varying types of WMD’s that makes the rest of the world look like sheep targeted by a ravenous insatiable herd of mad dogs.
And the American people, consumed by the fear engendered by their respective capitalist governments and mesmerised by that fatalistic false symbol of safety and supremacy, the “Stars and Stripes” - must finally confront the cost in lives and money that they are required to provide for the war mongers.
The facts are that the US cares not if they lose in a war and the lives of thousands of their citizen military or whatever side loses, since they are providing weapons to both.
For example, at the beginning of their involvement in Vietnam when John Kennedy was President, they lost some 64 Americans. After he was conveniently assassinated, the involvement was radically increased by L.B.J. and they finally lost some 60,000.
For example, the Bell Helicopter company was almost broke but, after the shameful and costly loss of that war, the company had made many billions in profit – all paid by citizen’s taxes and the relatives of the unnecessary sacrifice of lives (and families) who were mostly convinced by the capitalist media that this had to be done to protect America. Fair dinkum.
I have noticed several things about the contemporary United States of America.
There is a rising educated group of genuine American citizens who can see through the quest for world domination and the Zionist controlled powers that be. They surely must also understand the ultimate result of this “Golden Calf” tyranny.
IMHO the American’s sigh of relief with the removal of G.W. Bush and his fascists and the replacement by an Afro-American Barak Obama – orchestrated as it certainly was – created a deep but temporary breath of relief in the agony being suffered by the citizens of this nation, still manipulated as they always are.
While the US Military/Corporate makes millions, thousands of their citizens are dragged into uniform to fight and die for the ultimate profit of the powers that be.
The huge US funds and weapons of “support” to the wannabe westerners, the Canaanitic Zionist occupation forces in Palestine must certainly dry up or the invaders will eventually feel the wrath of the forces of freedom.
Wake up America – if the “bomb” is only a deterrent, why not let Australia have it? Or all of your allies besides the Zionists?
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Even the Americans can’t control the Zionists.
ReplyDeleteWhile the US continues to provide unlimited numbers and technologically superior weapons to the Zionist occupiers in Palestine, the international concerns at the cowardly and illegal killing methods of these people is mounting but, not combined.
The UN may have the will to be impartial however; any criticism of the Zionists is ignored by the US and vetoed if it dares to consider even the lightest punishment. This conveys to the world that these self-acclaimed “chosen people” can virtually do as they like without any respect or compassion.
The obvious question would be to ask; were “they” like that in Germany and the U.S.S.R. in the 1930’s?
While the numbers of Hebrews in Palestine seemingly equates to those in high places in the US - there is an enormous evil power which is consuming any form of Human Rights and International Laws without restraint. Ironically, they are the very issues which the current perpetrators have been claiming they were denied in the European Holocaust.
The declaration of a State of Israel was an example of the ancient “might is right” demanded by Imperial powers before two world wars (to end all wars), encouraged the nations to be more civilised. In addition, by any measure, it was illegal; immoral and cowardly since it was opposed by the rightful owners of the land it claimed. That is a modern example of a “back to the dark ages” which can only breed bitterness and disgust at the impotence of the only “united” assembly of nations.
The US has a lot to answer for and the hatred that the unholy US/Zionist alliance is building will only be destroyed when justice is seized by the Arabs of the Middle East.
After all, the use of any form of “killing” has been excused by the said alliance - now or soon, there should be an equal force developed by the oppressed Arabs to oppose the use of force and who can blame them? With the Zionist’ use of more US murderous weapons like Phosphorus bombs and the sowing of mines in the farming communities of Gaza – the “gloves must surely be off” now?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Gaza Holocaust.
This is important enough to publish 100*; so it'll appear on both the post-democratic age and The Demon Zionists:
ReplyDeleteMay 7, 2009
The End of Free Speech?
Criminalizing Criticism of Israel
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
[counterpunch/roberts]
As usual, I recommend reading it *all*.
Strange Bedfellows and Disproportionate Power.
ReplyDeleteWe have unhappily witnessed a tragedy in that the Roman Catholic Pope, who is the prime representative of Christianity or 33% (2.1Billion) of the world’s people - has lowered his standing and dignity by agreeing to an “audience” with the leaders of the most vicious murderers in contemporary times – the Zionists who represent just 0.2% (14 million) world wide.
Netanyahu and his fellow killers must be ecstatic at this coup – one that while the organisers have badly advised the Pope, will be sold by the Zionist media as approval for their massacres and murders, rape and destruction that they have visited upon the defenceless Arabs of the Gaza strip.
A small part of what was once Palestine Your Eminence, was locked in by land and sea, starved for many years and then bombed, shelled and invaded by the most vicious killers since the S.S. – 13OO men women and children died in just 22 days and the people you have so unwisely paid your respects to have claimed a political/religious victory of unbelievable proportions.
And Your Holiness, all under the deception of a peace arrangement which the Zionists will never agree to. A plan which the unholy US/Zionist alliance does not want in this oil wealthy area that has become the weapon testing, killing field for that group of terrorists.
While it is customary for the Pope to GIVE audiences to people of high standing like the Queen of England, for the purpose of mutual understanding and also for the Pope to visit nations of majority Catholicism, it is beyond the pale to lower the pride of all Christians to such an evil extremist group who abuse and use the beliefs of the once proud ancient Hebrew speaking Arabs of Canaan.
It is actions like this which will be played out as the tacit condoning of extreme Zionism and does more harm yet again to the victims who are also original Arabs with an even more spectacular history. Once again ignored - even as the British have done to them in the past.
The world owes the Palestinians sincere apologies, genuine help and, if necessary, the military power to forcefully reach that objective.
A “democratic” vote in the NATO countries to ensure that a measure of Justice is provided to the Arab victims of the Zionist genocide and that their rights are established once again is warranted. If the US administration doesn’t like it then let them lump it - “It’s Time”.
“The man who questions opinion is wise – the man who quarrels with facts is a fool”.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ A voice in the wilderness.
Yes, the spectre of massive destruction by a bestial exercise in abject cruelty, not seen since WW 2, is the current objective for a “pause” for the Zionists' consideration of "peace talks" and to put the stamp of "their God’s will” on the people who they have demonised; starved and murdered – the farmers of Palestine – now that’s fair in the eyes of Yahweh isn’t it? It was - in Canaan.
ReplyDeleteWould Hitler have offered a peace settlement if, for example after - he had invaded, occupied, subdued and placed under a puppet government – say the governments of Norway; Belgium; France; or Holland etc? Or with the huge slice of Russia that he had gained pre the winter of Stalingrad? Would he?
There cannot be any peace with justice until the Zionist murderers - (and all of those who are watching and thinking of how to get away with military murder) - pay for their crimes and the NAZI style military occupation of the State of Palestine.
Perhaps I am naive but, the facts in this issue go back long before the massive influx of Jewish mainly business people "fleeing" to Palestine from the Nazi intention to totally remove the Zionist grip on the wealth and power of Europe and Russia?
Without pulling the heart-strings, those are facts and the doctrine of the Nazis was to treat all “enemies of the Reich” the same, be they political; Gypsies; Russians, Jews or even those too infirm to work “for the better good”.
The original treatment of the Jews was to deport them, as indeed other countries had done before. They were offered the choice of leaving the country or being interned in the concentration camps as illegals. It was universally understood that Jewish citizens were constrained by their beliefs that their loyalty was only to Yahweh and the Torah.
In 1939, a large passenger vessel the MS St.Louis was packed with nearly a thousand wealthy Jews and sailed from Hamburg to Cuba (although it was a US ship) - but was refused entry. A movie was made based on the theme of this unusual act and called “The Voyage of the Damned”.
It was generally assumed that the Nazis wanted to prove that the “civilized world” agreed with their assertion that Jews constituted a “hidden hand” of influence on national and economic affairs. They meant to show that no other Western country would receive Jews as refugees. (Refer Wikipedia).
Where there is smoke there is fire – the century old history of Jewish “problems” which to be always unfair, must therefore be considered as a universal; bi-national; bi-religious; bi- racial conspiracy against a completely innocent people or else – their actions in Palestine and in particular Gaza and the West Bank - are indicative of their own personal doctrine of “Gold-n-Power”.
The US/Zionist unholy alliance is not the way to totally subdue the Arabs and their lands when they are of Ottoman/Saracen lineage. Their history of sacrifice in war is far greater than the Zionists.
Well might Admiral Yamamoto have said “We have woken a sleeping giant”?
“It is easier to ruin a Kingdom than to set up a greengrocer’s stall” or as LBJ use to say, “Any donkey can kick down a barn door but it takes a tradesman to build one”.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross posted in http://www.webdiary-libre.blogspot.com/ Demon Zionists.
To Antony Loewenstein. Re “hurt feelings” in www.yourdemocracy.net.au/
ReplyDeleteFirstly let me compliment you on your writings which show that you try to at least be fair and balanced in your criticisms of racist remarks from all sides.
Although I agree with most of your article “hurt feelings” due to the fact that the utterances or writings of some people are offensive to other people and should be, in my limited knowledge of the freedom in my country, forbidden but only IF the offensive material is claimed to be factual and is “broadcast” in order to gain advantage or to defame the subject person or people. The law is then available and should be upheld. Your say:
As a human being first and a Jew second, Holocaust denial disgusts me – as it should any decent person. It must be condemned in the strongest possible terms as both an indignity to the millions of victims and survivors, as well as a perversion of the historical record. The Jewish Holocaust, along with other similar catastrophes against Cambodians, Rwandans, Palestinians and Tamils should be respected and understood.
I couldn’t agree more Antony even though the holocaust is not the worst example of its kind – I would suggest that the massacres of tens of millions of Christians during a pogrom by the U.S.S.R. between 1920 and 1940 – according to historical record would be worth discussing but – why?
Regarding holocaust deniers on which I believe your article turns – WHY should that particular massacre be more unholy and unacceptable than any of the others – even those you have mentioned? Or the many others which have been forgotten but still remain as accepted history for all to find if they wish?
Personally I do not KNOW that the Jewish Holocaust happened EXACTLY as it is recorded but, I would find it rather offensive if I was vilified, damned or locked up simply because I had a different OPINION on a matter of which I would be lying if I said that historic records can NEVER be wrong – would I not?
Like Adam and Eve? The Darwin theory of evolution? The evidence which the ever-searching scientists are unearthing year after year that at least creates educated doubts in some of the most sincere of faiths? Would the OPINION of Galileo have offended the Hebrews of that time as it did the Roman Catholics?
I believe Antony that to outlaw free thought or opinion such as not believing in the Jewish Holocaust (as dictated) only creates resentment and indignity by others.
Why do people like myself who, as laypersons, have researched Hebrew history simply because of the claims – no, the demands – that are made on our freedom of thought and OPINION that are intended to force me to accept something with which by nature I may choose to ignore?
What is required to force the people in every “democratic” country to believe in the Jewish recorded history of the Holocaust - issue by issue, incident by incident – on the testimony of the people who were there but - excluding the Germans and non-Jews?
Sort of an inexplicable denial of any possibility of defence on the basis that, that very thought may be offensive to some?
Surely Antony with your intelligence, it must now become obvious that the genuine abhorrence to the Jewish Holocaust due to its consistent preaching is becoming annoying even as the Bush administration has ruined the world’s sympathy after 9/11?
Some people believe that it is more important to consider what people DO rather than what they SAY.
A person of wisdom once said – “Today is a new day. You will get out of it what you put into it”.
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This will be cross-posted in http://webdiary-libre.blogspot.com/ Demon Zionists.
A Palestine “two state” cannot and should not survive.
ReplyDeleteWisdom would dictate that you “Never search for a complicated solution of a problem when a simple answer is right at hand”! Return to your respective corners gentlemen!
Firstly the two state solution to the Zionist takeover of the Palestinian’s land was based on an illegal motion by the United Nations. It was considered and agreed to by the “big” players – except the Palestinians and every other Arab country.
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Every person, state or recognised nation – who had anything to LOSE – voted against it. And the Palestinians, whose homes, families and livelihood were up for grabs, had no vote at all! The Zionist terrorists were asked to accept half of their intended booty in return for a “halt” to their murders and destruction – but it wasn’t enough.
That pacifist policy helped the cause and intentions of a previous political “master race” when the “negotiators” allowed the occupation of peaceful European nations in return for a “Clayton’s” promise of “peace in our time”. And they used the hatred of Jews just as the Jews are now using the hatred of Muslims.
Neither will it ever be enough for the Zionists since they have adopted the Nazi policy of ultimately solving ‘the Palestinian problem” by concentration camps, massacres and denial of citizen rights or any form of equality. And should that succeed then....?
Anyone who cares to study Hitler’s brown shirts’ grasp for power in the early 1930’s will find too many similarities in their methods with those of the Zionist terrorists in Palestine. The only difference was that the brown shirts were taking over their OWN country while the Zionists are taking over someone else’s.
That is a perfect example of the disproportionate power of the US/Zionist unholy alliance and a lasting disgrace to the UN in its abject failure to provide the Palestinians with any form of justice.
Over the years it has become painfully obvious that the UN is as much a captive of the US and its policies as any of the other puppets the latter controls.
Why is it that any Arab nation which tries to train a military force to help defend itself is damned by the US/Zionist alliance as training “terrorists”? And bombed into submission?
After all – hasn’t the United States of America, during the 20th century and on, acted so aggressively that they have proven to the world that “a country is only entitled to that which they can defend”?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ anti-Semitic.
Mild disagreement as to "entitled," g'day Ern.
ReplyDeleteSince the theme is Israel - or perhaps more accurately, ex-Palestine; where the sad "ex-" was mainly added first by 'corrupt' UN-dealing and thereafter by 'force of arms,' such military actions being just another name for 'murder to steal land and water.' Sooo, how can anyone talk of "entitled?" Under that sort of logic, the bank-robber would be 'entitled' to his/her illegally obtained booty - just as long as s/he could 'defend' such - by fleeing, say. This is why I decry the (risibly!) named "IDF;" IMHO one simply *cannot* defend stolen land - one 'merely' continues to occupy it, using the same means used to 'acquire' it, namely by 'force of arms,' and note that I have just constructed a loop.
It is this (immoral!) loop that the 'wo/man in the Israeli street' must live with/under; so then recall: "Live by the sword, die by the sword." One day, some-when, the IDF will lose. At that point the Israelis will also lose - most likely the whole lot. South Africa eventually won freedom, we must hope the same for the Palestinians - and give them whatever possible assistance, hence the idea of boycotting Israel and products sourced from there. If one finds Israel-sourced stuff in a supermarket, say, one could take a sample to the manager, saying: "I prefer not to buy stuff sourced from here."
I also disagree with any proposed 'two-state' deal; the land should be restored to its legal owners, pre '47. Down with all illegal, most often brutal, occupations!
Just what is Semitic? And why should challenging it be a crime?
ReplyDeleteThe site http://archaelogy.about.com/ describes it thus:
Definition: The term Semitic tribes (or Semites) refers to several groups of nomads and camel pastoralists who spoke related Semitic languages and included Arabs, Aramaeans, Jews, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Abyssinians, and Phoenicians. They roamed Arabia and Mesopotamia beginning somewhere in the third to fourth millennium BC, and dominated the Babylonian society beginning about 3000 BC. They are associated with the invention of the earliest alphabet, from evidence found at Serabit el-Khadem, on the Sinai peninsula of modern Egypt.
I have searched many sites and info-centres including the Encyclopaedia Britannica and, contrary to the strange claim by the Hebrew Semites, all Aribic [sic] tribes originated in or about what became Egypt – the pinnacle of civilisation of ancient history in that area.
So I accept that all Arabs are originally Semites and as such, Semitic - not just the Hebrews but all Arabs.
Therefore, the ironic stupidity of this world-wide “crusade” against anything anti-Semitic is actually not about the Hebrews/Zionists/Canaanites/Jews at all – the truth is that the term is much more all-encompassing than that.
As the powerful Zionist Lobby in the US and its sub-branches in many western countries, attempt to force governments to outlaw and punish any criticism of anything Jewish by naming it an act of “anti-Semitism” or anti-Semitic, is really a baseless fallacy being fed to the world through the “Gold-n-Power” of the only religious “out of step” Semites in the entire planet.
Why isn’t it called anti-Jewish; anti-Hebrew or anti-Zionist – the latter being most appropriate.
To accept this centuries old deception, any legislation which uses that terminology should – and I repeat should – be applied to any criticism of the other Semitic nations of the world, irrespective of their religion or their wealth. And it would still be wrong.
The fact is that, even if the laws of “democratic” nations attempt to outlaw and even punish their own citizens for daring to criticise one particular race/religion then it can only lead to massive disobedience and even rioting – not to mention the hatred that would obviously be directed to the very people the Zionists claim to represent.
Would that lead to another calamity that could rear up and bite the bums of the very leaders of a people who deserve the contemptuous criticism that they so obviously fear.
May I suggest to the Hebrews and their Zionist leaders: “Silence is the essential condition of happiness”.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ anti-Semitic.
An overall opinion of the Hebrews.
ReplyDeleteOne dare not back off from criticism of the Zionist Hebrews and their fellow travellers for they will never back off from their overlord attitude to every other race on earth.
The “Gold-n-Power” of Zionism inhabits every major country in the world plus, and they use that power to demand an international society where only they can do no wrong. This has been festering in the minds of the Cult of Mount Zion since the days of the Roman occupation of Judah.
It is scary to delve into their past and come to the conclusion that they really do believe that they are the chosen race and are the real masters of the fate of all humanity. Why is it so? “And what shall it profit them?”
I am satisfied that “anti-Semitic” is a term falsely used when claimed that it only applies to the ancient Hebrew nomadic tribes. It is continually used to prevent any criticism or even debate since such an act of freedom of thought, reasoning and logic - will always reveal the simple fact that they are mere mortals and that their behaviour to “all other life” on this planet is certainly no better or worse, when placed in identical situations.
I am satisfied that the “Jewish Holocaust” is being used as a conduit for pity and sympathy to the end that the world must owe them a living. If it happened as they claim or as so many others have claimed to the contrary – it is past and should be placed alongside the many thousands of other slaughters and genocides since the beginning of recorded time.
They want only their suffering in the Holocaust to live forever in the minds of the entire world – not just the Nazis – not just the Germans – not just the European nations but – every nation that existed then and even those that have evolved since. Perhaps because they believe that we all ignored the Commands of their God?
They should not be concerned since the Germans were forced to pay compensation to those who suffered – and if I am wrong in my assumptions, they should then expect to pay for their own slaughter in the Gaza Holocaust.
“The evil that men do lives after them”.
The thought that the “bastions of freedom” may even consider passing laws which favour and protect the unbridled behaviour (however bestial) of any one race/religion is abhorrent in the extreme – even to the pirates of Somalia IF - we criticise them for trying to exist by “illegal means”.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Anti-Semitic
World destablising may yet bring the conspirators undone?
ReplyDeleteMore and more I consider that anti-US/Zionist feeling throughout the educated world is becoming the norm. What we have to worry about now is what nation will suffer egregiously from an immanent typical act of diversion?
My research, initiated by the disgraceful and arrogant Gaza Holocaust perpetrated by the ever-whinging Zionist hypocrites in occupied Palestine, has opened my eyes to so many hidden and/or twisted facts about these centuries’ old myths the survival of which is the miracle – not the faith that spreads its evil dividend.
I quote for example from Stormfront.org vis: “There is no greater power in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment”.
The “Gold-n-Power” faith is surely in control of the cells of financial and political influence in the most terrorist nation in the world which itself, is now without peer in the abuse of the basic rules of humanity or the sovereign rights of any nation who dares to try to decide their own destiny.
The sinister use of a nation’s politics to expect immediate condemnation, like Communist – reminds me of the worst days of Ming the Merciless. So that any country who insists on being independent is tagged by the US as a “rogue” state [not Zionist of course] and must be punished. Why? Because “they” MAY use nuclear power for energy or defence – like the US/Britain/France/China/Russia/India/Pakistan and of course the one who continually threatens its neighbours – the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Example of US hypocrisy - The Zionist Lieberman suggested that bombing the Aswan Dam would be a way to subdue the Egyptians since it would kill an estimated 80 million people. And they want us to worry about Nth. Korea? Fair dinkum.
Power is exerted in every manner possible to ensure the existence of the military-mad Zionists and their creators, the warmongers of the US. It is a fact - which has been exposed by US Presidents such as Eisenhower - that the so-called buoyant economy of America is dependant on war – no matter who is involved or who may win – as long these horrors do not interfere with the profits accumulated by the manipulators. Currently, so much goes to the Zionist occupation of Palestine.
The unholy US/Zionist alliance is the biggest single danger to world peace because it has an objective that is achievable as long as the American people remain paranoiac and subject to the propaganda of the “Gold-n-Power” media.
Surely the Bush administration’s inaction when Lehman Brothers were going broke was the beginning of the world-wide financial disaster? Why? Could it have been somewhat intentional to rapidly wind back the enormous US debts to the international community – especially China? The whole issue was just too hard to believe as a mistake by billionaires with so much to lose? Let the “little people” take the pain.
The American con of Truth, Justice and the American way has long lost its import and “A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches”.
Doesn’t that sound like a warning that the Zionists have ignored for centuries?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted on http://www.yourdmocracy.net.au/ calling Smith
Where is truth? You won't find it in the people featured in this piece by Stephen Zunes.In response to a series of reports by human rights organizations and international legal scholars documenting serious large-scale violations of international humanitarian law by Israeli armed forces in its recent war on the Gaza Strip, 10 U.S. state attorneys general sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton defending the Israeli action. It is virtually unprecedented for state attorneys general — whose mandates focus on enforcement of state law — to weigh in on questions regarding the laws of war, particularly in a conflict on the far side of the world. More significantly, their statement runs directly counter to a broad consensus of international legal opinion that recognizes that Israel, as well as Hamas, engaged in war crimes.
ReplyDeleteThe wording of the letter closely parallels arguments by Bush administration officials in support for Israel's devastating offensive during their final days in office. Having been signed nearly 11 weeks after the end of the fighting and made public only late last month, it may have been part of an effort to undermine tentative efforts by the Obama administration to take a more balanced approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Balance? Not for these chaps - and bugger the consequences.
Just a thought about the WTO.
ReplyDeleteSome time ago I wrote in Margo’s webdiary that the World Trade Organisation’s intentions to take over world businesses, together with their resources, was similar to feeding them into a huge “funnel” where only a severely reduced number would come out the other end but with control of the entire world’s economies.
Sort of the capitalist belief in “survival of the fittest”?
When the Barons of Wall Street, together with the infamous G.W. Bush administration, carelessly [?] allowed one single financial group, Lehman Brothers, to collapse and cause a domino effect all over the world, I was amazed at the evil power the US had to be able to do that, whether is was for greed or for some ulterior motive.
As an ordinary person, I thought that the biggest losers and the most adversely effected by this disaster would be the workers of the world (no work sorry) the small businesses (no customers sorry) and the less solvent of world financial institutions (no loans sorry). Just imagine the concentration of power and wealth.
There would be enormous numbers of amalgamations and take-overs so that it wouldn’t be hard to picture my imaginary “Funnel” beginning to work and, with an excuse that it was beyond the control of the instigators in Wall Street.
I looked up http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/wto/OpposeWTO.html
For the sake of space, I quote just two of the 12 paragraphs namely:
Para 1. The WTO is fundamentally undemocratic. The policies of the WTO impact all aspects of society and the planet, but it is not a democratic, transparent institution. The WTO rules are written by and for corporations with inside access to the negotiations. For example, the US Trade Representative gets heavy input for negotiations from 17 “Industry Sector Advisory Committees.” Citizen input by consumer, environmental, human rights and labour organizations are consistently ignored. Even simple requests for information are denied, and the proceedings are held in secret. Who elected this secret global government?
AND para 3. The WTO tramples Labour and Human Rights. WTO rules put the “rights” of corporations to profit over human and labour rights. The WTO encourages a ‘race to the bottom’ in wages by pitting workers against each other rather than promoting internationally recognized labour standards. The WTO has ruled that it is illegal for a government to ban a product based on the way it is produced, such as with child labour. It has also ruled that governments cannot take into account “non commercial values” such as human rights, or the behaviour of companies that do business with vicious dictatorships such as Burma when making purchasing decisions.
Even these two paras give me a feeling of unease. The individual major players in the financial crisis of Wall Street and many other financial institutions were, and probably still are, Zionist Jews. Check it out.
The purpose of the forced Jewish Diaspora was to weaken their power by spreading them over many different countries but – it would now appear that the 5 million plus in the US and the 5 million plus in Zionist occupied Palestine – is the beginning of “the cities of refuge” in the Deuteronomy? And what better way to take over the world?
Just a thought.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Gaza holocaust.
A short absence and “where do I begin”? In http://natvan.com/who-rules-america/
ReplyDelete“THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment.”
No truer statement explains the misinformed mindset of the western world today.
Such as: Who do we hate this year? Who are the enemies of “democracy” (not US dictators or course)? CIA/Mossad funded and organised destabilising with only their information allowed out. No nation may have nuclear power without the approval of the US/Zionist alliance. No Middle East nation may have a military of a standard that can reasonably protect its integrity.
While there are many free sites in the US which try to bring home that truth to a people, who live in fear with global paranoia, the messengers of that “flag waving” state of mind are clearly too powerful and they are all controlled by the massive US Jewish lobby. It is well worth reading some facts in the site I quoted.
No politician of significance succeeds in America, State by State, unless they have the direct or indirect approval of this insidious ultra-rich “one objective” organisation.
However, what is not clearly recognised in Australia is that we too are cursed with our own Jewish lobby organisations which have already achieved dangerous power.
What re-kindled my interest in this subject was the recent behaviour of the Jew Murdoch’s News Ltd. This powerful and above the law group of political activists demonstrated how to raise a subject in the premier papers of the major cities of Australia. Never forget that Murdoch is a member of the Jewish lobby in the US.
At the mere nod from Murdoch or his lackeys, misinformation is poured out into our streets so that the bastardry of the US/Israel alliance, in a nation like Iran, which has had the audacity to have its own election in its own manner, under its own laws and with peaceful intent – is suddenly facing a violent demonstration on a basis which apparently had never been considered before.
Can that gutsy little bastard Armadenejad survive yet again? For the sake of Iran’s independence to make a sovereign choice when it suits them – let’s hope so.
BTW does anyone see the similarities with Iraq and Afghanistan?
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-printed in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Gaza Holocaust.
G'day Ern G,
ReplyDeleteand good to 'see' you. Yes, I see similarities with Iraq and Afghanistan - and now Pakistan too; all being more or less invaded by 'the great satan.' Talking of the destabilising of Iran, we see Murdoch involved in attempted destabilising of Aus (again? No, still;) with Lewis publishing some 'faked' email. I haven't seen whatever was published (don't buy such rubbish), and haven't been able to find it on the 'net - not that I looked too hard.
Given that:
ReplyDelete1. The Zionist Jews have occupied Palestine and have declared a state of Israel against the unanimous votes of the Middle East nations.
2. They have created the largest concentration camp (Gaza) in world history.
3. They have removed the rights of all non-Jews and allowed Hebrew settlers to steal even more Palestine lands.
4. They have refused to co-operate with investigations into their murders of men women and children.
5. They have ignored 101 plus condemnations from the United Nations and;
6. They have set themselves above international laws and will not be bound by any obligation of human rights.
Just to mention a few – but there is purpose in my scribble.
This is the description of a “nuclear weapons rogue state” which has ignored every effort to force them to earn their place in the United Nations – only the military power of the terrorist United States of America prevents any sort of sanctions being applied where they would surely be immediate to any other nation.
Meanwhile the Jewish control of the entire western media condones or excuses all of the Hebrew excesses – no matter what, and even though their well organised lobbies have this power in lands all over the world - they still say they need a “homeland of their own”.
Why? Is this the place of ultimate protection which is mentioned in their doctrine – is it intended to be where Hebrews, criminals only against the gentiles, may reside in safety, protected by the nuclear weapons that they have always denied having?
Is the Jewish “Gold-n-Power” belief in perfection capable of that? You betcha.
Now the purpose of my scribble.
We in Australia, have a test case which will not be mentioned as being related to the Murdoch News Ltd Jewish Lobby.
It may not be generally known that Malcolm Turnbull stood in the “Jewish” electorate of Wentworth against a genuine Jew named Newhouse who lost but, called Turnbull a “wannabe Jew”. Almost all of his life he has been involved one way or another with the Jewish community. He was the Australian CEO of Goldman Sachs, one of the largest Jewish Financial organisations in the world.
I will guess that Goldwin Gruch, who was reported as a Liberal mole in the Treasury, and has been closely involved with Turnbull, Abetz, Hockey etc - is a Jew? And may have the Jewish malady of being ill when confronted with a crime? And may be able to keep his passport during the AFP deliberations?
So, they want a “homeland of their own”. Fair dinkum.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://.www.yourdemocracy.net.au/
[reply to Syd Walker's Feed them to the Arabs!]
ReplyDelete"bigotry and paranoia" - whatever might 'get the Z's job done.'
G'day Syd, imagine running into DavidG here, so g'day to you too.
The very idea - of 'giving' Palestinian land away to invading aliens (labelled by me as "Zs"); driving said hapless Palestinians off their legally-owned land - when not actually slaughtering them outright (as in Deir Yassin, say), a process which could perfectly accurately be termed both 'ethnic cleansing' and 'genocide,' takes some huge efforts of camouflage on the one hand, and propaganda on the other. Such filthy lies to disguise utterly inexcusable crimes are not restricted to the Z's own media - one gets almost a daily dose via and actively from other corrupt and venal MSM 'outlets' - including, to truth & justice-seekers' great shame - big bits of the AusBC. Boo! Hiss!
Once exposed, the Z-crimes are immediately recognisable, but the Zs in IL, supported by the US 'power-élite' - like the US congress, said to be 'Israeli-occupied territory' (on the basis of (a) coercive threats and bribes, or (b) outright criminality, or (c) make up your own 'excuse'), these two rogue-regimes are committed to continuing such fearsomely ugly crimes. But what of the rest of the world, Rudd, Merkel & Sarkozy, say?
Here's what Russell wrote (his last):
«The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was "given" by a foreign power to another people ...»
Me: IMHO, no agency in the world had, has or ever will have, a legitimate right to ordain such a give-away. The opposite of legitimate is - illegitimate.
Here's what MLK said:
«Without justice, there can be no peace. He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.»
The Zs claim to be the only democracy in the ME. That means that the *entire population* of IL is equally as guilty as their so-called 'leaders,' since the crimes have continued these 61+ long and sad years now. No effective resistance = support, even if passive.
Netanyahu recently demanded that Israel be recognized as a Jewish state. Putting the 'democracy' and 'Jewish' claims together draws in the Diaspora; Q: What are they doing to stop the crimes? A: Nothing effective. Drawing on MLK, that makes the Diaspora 'evil acceptors' - or at least, all the non-loud-objectors are such evil acceptors - this latter, who must be in the vast majority. Again, no effective resistance = support, even if passive.
Q1: Who else 'passively accepts evil?' A: The great majority of the world's population - for the simple reason that if they didn't passively accept it, surely it would have been stopped, and that a looong time ago? So, Q2: How come? A: Because they, the great majority, have been hoodwinked & lied to - i.e. bull-shitted, not 'just' by Z-owned media, but by a multitude of MSM outfits like the AusBC. Boo again!! Hiss, doubled!!
[to be cross-posted]
G'day Ernest William, here is something *new* (to me); I'll copy'n paste a big swag, but as usual, one should read the lot:
ReplyDeleteTurnbull pumps $10m into rainmaking gamble
By Greg Hoy
Posted November 20, 2007 12:00:00
«Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull has approved funding for a controversial rain-making technology. (AAP: Mark Graham)
Map: Rose Bay 2029
Few MPs would have worked harder to defend their seats at this election than Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull, whose blue ribbon Sydney seat of Wentworth is under siege not just from Labor but a range of environmental activists, mostly coalescing around the Greens.
But in the second week of the campaign, Mr Turnbull found the time to announce that the Government, already in caretaker mode, would bankroll to the tune of $10 million the investigation of an untried Russian technology that aims to trigger rainfall from the atmosphere, even when there are no clouds.
It is a decision that raised the eyebrows of water experts around the country.
...
But Mr Turnbull decided the trial should proceed and authorised a $10 million payment.
Mr Searle says he is astonished the National Water Commission allowed it to pass.
It's true that in the largely blue ribbon seat of Wentworth in Sydney's east, Mr Turnbull is struggling for re-election, though struggling might not be the right word. He does have a distinct advantage.
Murdoch's nephew
Emanating from affluent suburbs like Vaucluse, Rose Bay and Watson's Bay, Malcolm Turnbull's fundraising group the Wentworth Forum, includes a long list of generous donors including Frank Lowy, Ros Packer, John Simons, and Matt Handbury, chairman and part-owner of the so-called Australian Rain Corporation, beneficiary of the Minister's funding.
Businessman Geoffrey Cousins says he has never seen the weight of spending in any one seat that Mr Turnbull is putting out in Wentworth.
"It must be well over $1 million just in this one seat, and in Australia, that's an extraordinary amount of money. I mean, it's starting to get like the American elections," he said.
Mr Handbury is the wealthy nephew of Rupert Murdoch and chairman and proprietor of Murdoch Books, which is the headquarters for Australian Rain Corporation.»
[AusBC/November 20, 2007]
Let us see the nature and amount of coverage this story gets.
ReplyDelete[23 miles off the coast of Gaza, 15:30pm] - Today Israeli Occupation Forces attacked and boarded the Free Gaza Movement boat, the SPIRIT OF HUMANITY, abducting 21 human rights workers from 11 countries, including Noble laureate Mairead Maguire and former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (see below for a complete list of passengers). The passengers and crew are being forcibly dragged toward Israel.
"This is an outrageous violation of international law against us. Our boat was not in Israeli waters, and we were on a human rights mission to the Gaza Strip," said Cynthia McKinney, a former U.S. Congresswoman and presidential candidate. "President Obama just told Israel to let in humanitarian and reconstruction supplies, and that's exactly what we tried to do. We're asking the international community to demand our release so we can resume our journey."
I wonder if this act of piracy will get the same condemnation others have received.
More on the Israeli piracy - DemocracyNow! speaks with Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire.
ReplyDeleteMAIREAD MAGUIRE: Yes. We have just been locked into our cells now for a couple of hours. We are currently going through their process. We are being charged with entering illegally into Israeli—near Israeli shores. We are going, it looks like, to be deported from Israel. We did not choose to come to Israel. Our little boat was boarded by the navy combat soldiers, and they came in in full riot gear onto our boat when we were just twenty-five miles off the shore of Gaza. We were under gunpoint, forcibly taken to Ashdod, held in the detention center overnight. And then I was removed from Ashdod detention center, handcuffed in a military vehicle, and brought here to the prison, where we’re currently being held. All of us, all nineteen—there were twenty-one, but Huwaida and Lubna are out—but the rest of us are being held here in detention in this prison.
Noting that the boat was hijacked off Gaza we go to the following question:
AMY GOODMAN: What is your response, Mairead Maguire, to Mark Regev, the Israeli spokesperson, who said aid is free to pass into Gaza?
Well, he would say that. Back to the transcript:
MAIREAD MAGUIRE: No, that is wrong. I mean, we know it is not free. I mean, Gaza is like a huge prison, but—because its borders are closed. The sea pass into Gaza, which has been closed for over forty years by the Israeli government—we are only the seventh ship to get in to the port of Gaza that tried to break the siege.
And as we do that, it’s very interesting, we pass the gas fields of Gaza. You know, Gaza has huge gas deposits, which Israel is now beginning to use. So it’s very important that there is the issue of who owns the gas in the Gazan Strip. And also farmers—fishermen, who try to go out without—in about twelve miles to fish for their families, are shot up and have been killed by the Israeli navy in that area.
So, Gaza is a huge occupied territory of one-and-a-half million people who have been subjected to collective punishment by the Israeli government. That breaks the Geneva Convention, every international law in the book. And the tragedy is that the American government, the UN and Europe, they remain silent in the face of the abuse of Palestinian human rights, like the freedom, and it’s really tragic.
And it is also tragic that out of ten million Palestinians of a population, almost seven million are currently refugees out in other countries or displaced within their own country, particularly after the horrific massacre by Israeli jet fighters after just earlier this year. Twenty-two days Israel bombarded Gaza, Gazan people, civilians. And we’re not sure what kind of weapons were dropped. We need the scientists. We need people to go in to see: is it depleted uranium in the very soil of the Gazan fields now? Unfortunately, Israel does not want human rights activists in there to see what they’ve done and what they’re doing. Even the representative of [inaudible]—
So much to hide ...
Hiding - in plain sight ...
ReplyDelete.. g'day Bob Wall.
After the US double A-bombing war crime (overwhelmingly targeting civilians; targets kept 'pristine' due largely to military insignificance), coming as that did after the fascist depredations of Hitler&Co - including the Holocaust of many people including some Jewish victims, the 'establishing' of Israel, driving out those the invading alien Zs didn't kill outright is the next candidate for "Crime of the post-WW2 century."
They very idea of 'giving' land to an alien invader could never have been accepted by any fully aware & moral human; it was a PR coup of massive proportions, carried on still today by a corrupt & venal MSM - including big bits of the AusBC.
Something MLK said:
«Without justice, there can be no peace. He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.»
Fazit: Hiding a crime - perpetrating a cover-up - makes those doing the hiding active accessories to the original crime, and such accessories are usually considered to be as equally guilty as the actual (alien invading Zionist) perpetrators.
The only way the world can make a just peace is to restore to the Palestinians what the alien invading Zs took by murdering force - OR - by fully, fairly & adequately compensating the hapless Palestinian victims, or their descendants.
Best: Return Palestine to its legal owners, the Palestinians!
I posed the question of what type of coverage Israel's act of piracy would get - here is a report on US coverage. What there is of it.
ReplyDeletePredictable.
A Clinical view of Adolf Hitler Mk. 1.
ReplyDeleteSource: The History Place http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/warone.htm I post this with the intention of pointing out that Hitler, besides being a brave and loyal soldier, eventually raised his chosen nation to greater heights than many of the exalted conquerors of history.
In the muddy, lice infested, smelly trenches of World War One, Adolf Hitler found a new home fighting for the German Fatherland. After years of poverty, alone and uncertain, he now had a sense of belonging and purpose....
All over Europe and England young men, including Adolf Hitler, eagerly volunteered. Like most young soldiers before them, they though it would be a short war, but hopefully long enough for them to see some action and participate in the great adventure. It would turn out to be a long war in which soldiers died by the millions. An entire generation of young men would be wiped out. The war would also bring the downfall of the old European culture of kings and noblemen and their codes of honour....
...A stalemate developed along a line of entrenched fortifications stretching from the North Sea, all the way through France to the Saar River in Germany. In these miserable trenches, Adolf Hitler became acquainted with war.
Hitler volunteered at age 25 by enlisting in a Bavarian Regiment. After its first engagement against the British and Belgians near Ypres, 2500 of the 3000 men in the Hitler’s regiment were killed, wounded or missing. Hitler escaped without a scratch. Throughout most of the war, Hitler had great luck avoiding life threatening injury. More than once he moved away from a spot where moments later a shell exploded killing or wounding everyone. Hitler, by all accounts, was an unusual soldier with a sloppy manner and unmilitary bearing. But he was also eager for action and always ready to volunteer for dangerous assignments even after many narrow escapes from death.
Hitler, unlike his fellow soldiers, never complained about bad food and the horrible conditions.,..his fellow soldiers regarded Hitler as too eager to please his superiors, but generally a likable loner notable for his luck in avoiding injury as well as his bravery. On October 7, 1916 Hitler’s luck ran out when he was wounded in the leg by a shell fragment during the Battle of the Somme. He was hospitalized in Germany. It was his first time away from the front after two years of war. He was appalled at the apathy and anti-war sentiment among German civilians. He blamed the Jews for much of this and saw them as conspiring to spread unrest and undermine the German war effort.
To get away from the apathetic civilians, Hitler asked to go back to the front and was sent back in March of 1917. In August 1918, he received the Iron Cross First Class, a rarity for foot soldiers....Despite his good record and a total of five medals, he remained a corporal. In October 1918 he was temporarily blinded by a British chlorine gas attack near Ypres. He was sent home to a starving, war weary country full of unrest.... On November 10, 1918, an elderly pastor came into the hospital and announced the news. The Kaiser and the House of Hollenzollern had fallen. Their beloved Fatherland was now a republic. The war was over.
Hitler described his reaction in Mein Kampf: “There followed terrible days and even worse nights – I knew that all was lost...in these nights hatred grew in me, hatred for those responsible for this deed.” End of Mk 1.
And so a brave soldier returned to a starving impoverished nation - made so, in his opinion, due to the politicians and the Jews.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.webdiary-libre.blogspot.com/ Gaza Holocaust.
A Clinical view of Adolf Hitler Mk. 2.
ReplyDeleteSource: The History Place. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/warone.htm I post this with the intention of pointing out that Hitler, besides being a brave and loyal soldier, eventually raised his chosen nation to greater heights than many of the exalted conquerors of history.
War ends with German defeat.
Faced with an effective British blockade, fierce resistance from the British and French armies, the entrance of the United States army, political unrest and starvation at home, an economy in ruins, mutiny in the navy, and mounting defeats on the battlefield, German generals requested armistice negotiations with the Allies in November 1918. Under the terms of the armistice, the German Army was allowed to remain intact and was not forced to admit defeat by surrendering.... The failure to force the German General Staff to admit defeat would have a huge impact on the future of Germany. Although the army was later reduced in size, its impact would be felt after the war as a political force dedicated to German nationalism, not democracy.
The ‘Stab in the Back’ theory would become hugely popular among many Germans who found it impossible to swallow defeat. During the war, Adolf Hitler became obsessed with this idea, especially laying blame on Jews and Marxists in Germany for undermining the war effort. To Hitler, and so many others, the German politicians who signed the armistice on November 11, 1918, would become known as the “November Criminals”.
Workers Party/Hitler leads Nazi Party – 1921.
Hitler remained in the Army and investigated a small group of 25 in Munich known as the German Workers’ Party. The use of the term ‘workers’ attracted the attention of the German Army which was now involved in crushing Marxist uprisings. A speech at this meeting enraged Hitler and he spoke out forcefully against a Bavarian “breakaway” idea and impressed one of the founders of the Workers’Party, Anton Drexler who wanted Hitler to join and gave him a pamphlet which reflected political thinking much like Hitler’s own – building a strong nationalist, pro-military, anti-Semitic party made up of working class people. Adolf Hitler joined the committee of the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or DAP) and thus entered politics. In Munich, there were many alienated, maladjusted soldiers and ex-soldiers with a thirst for adventure and a distaste for the peace brought on by the Treaty of Versailles and the resulting democratic republic. They joined the German Workers' Party in growing numbers.
There were many other political groups looking for members, but none more successful than the Marxists. Genuine fear existed there might be a widespread Communist revolution in Germany like the Russian revolution. Hitler associated Marxism with the Jews and thus reviled it. On February 24, 1920, Hitler was thrilled when he entered the large meeting hall in Munich and saw two thousand people waiting, including a large number of Communists. A few minutes into his speech, he was drowned out by shouting followed by open brawling between German Workers' Party associates and disruptive Communists. Eventually, Hitler resumed speaking and claims in Mein Kampf the shouting was gradually drowned out by applause.
[End of part one of Mk.2]
continued from part one of Mk. 2.
ReplyDeleteHe proceeded to outline the Twenty Five Points of the German Workers' Party, its political platform, which included; the union of all Germans in a greater German Reich, rejection of the Treaty of Versailles, the demand for additional territories for the German people (Lebensraum), citizenship determined by race with no Jew to be considered a German, all income not earned by work to be confiscated, a thorough reconstruction of the national education system, religious freedom except for religions which endanger the German race, and a strong central government for the execution of effective legislation.
One by one Hitler went through the Twenty Five Points, asking the rowdy crowd for its approval on each point, which he got. For Hitler, the meeting was now a huge success. "A fire was kindled from whose flame one day the sword must come which would regain freedom for the Germanic Siegfried and life for the German nation."
Hitler realized one thing the movement lacked was a recognizable symbol or flag. In the summer of 1920, Hitler chose the symbol which to this day remains perhaps the most infamous in history, the swastika.
It was not something Hitler invented, but is found even in the ruins of ancient times. Hitler had seen it each day as a boy when he attended the Benedictine monastery school in Lambach, Austria. The ancient monastery was decorated with carved stones and woodwork that included several swastikas. They had also been seen around Germany among the Freikorps (soldiers for hire), and appeared before as an emblem used by anti-Semitic political parties.
But when it was placed inside a white circle on a red background, it provided a powerful, instantly recognizable symbol that immediately helped Hitler's party gain popularity.
Hitler described the symbolism involved: "In the red we see the social idea of the movement, in the white the national idea, in the swastika the mission to struggle for the victory of Aryan man and at the same time the victory of the idea of creative work, which is eternally anti-Semitic and will always be anti-Semitic."
The German Workers' Party name was changed by Hitler to include the term National Socialist. Thus the full name was the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) called for short, Nazi.
By the end of 1920 it had about three thousand members.[A small beginning indeed]
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Gaza Holocaust.
Critical view of Adolf Hitler. Part 1 of Mk. 3.
ReplyDeleteSource: The History Place. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/warone.htm I post this with the intention of pointing out that Hitler, besides being a brave and loyal soldier, eventually raised his chosen nation to greater heights than many of the exalted conquerors of history.
The Beer Hall Putsch.
A series of financial events unfolded in the years 1921 through 1923 that would propel the Nazis to new heights of daring and would even prompt Hitler into attempting to take over Germany.
In April of 1921, the victorious European Allies of World War One, notably France and England, presented a bill to Germany demanding payment for damages caused in the war which Germany had started. This bill (33 billion dollars) for war reparations had the immediate effect of causing ruinous inflation in Germany.
The German currency, the mark, slipped drastically in value. It had been four marks to the U.S. dollar until the war reparations were announced. The German government asked for a postponement of payments. The French refused. The Germans defied them by defaulting on their payments. In response to this, in January 1923, the French Army occupied the industrial part of Germany known as the Ruhr.
Then it became 75 to the dollar in 1922 and then sank to 400 to the dollar. By November 1923, it took 4,000,000,000 marks to obtain a dollar. Germans lost their life savings. Salaries were paid in worthless money. Groceries cost billions. [My own thoughts are that at this time the migration of USSR Communist Jews between 1920 and 1940 is interesting]
Hunger riots broke out. In September 1923, the German government made the fateful decision to resume making payments. Bitter resentment and unrest swelled among the people, inciting extremist political groups to action and quickly bringing Germany to the brink of chaos.
The Nazis and other similar groups now felt the time was right to strike. By now, November 1923, the Nazis, with 55,000 followers, were the biggest and best organised. Hitler and the Nazis hatched a plot in which they would kidnap the leaders of the Bavarian government and force them at gunpoint to accept Hitler as their leader. Then according to their plan, with the aid of famous World War One General, Erich Ludendorff, they would win over the German Army, proclaim a nationwide revolt and bring down the German democratic government in Berlin.
End of part 1 of Mk. 3.
A Clinical view of Adolf Hitler. Part 2 of MK. 3.
ReplyDeleteThey put this plan into action when they learned there was going to be a large gathering of businessmen in a Munich Beer hall and the guests of honour were scheduled to be the Bavarian leaders they now wanted to kidnap.
Hitler declared “The National Revolution has begun!”
Things went progressively bad for Hitler and after some failed threats and lies to the Beer Hall crowd Hitler made the following statement – “I am going to fulfil the vow I made to myself five years ago when I was a blind cripple in the military Hospital – to know neither rest nor peace until the November criminals had been overthrown, until on the ruins of the wretched German of today there would have arisen once more a Germany of power and greatness, of freedom and splendour.”
The crowd in the beer hall roared their approval and sang “Deutschland uber Alles.” Hitler was euphoric. This was turning into a night of triumph for him. Tomorrow he might actually be the new leader of Germany.
But from there the revolution was failing, ending in a plan put to Hitler by General Ludendorff that the Nazis would simply march into the middle of Munich and take it over.
Because of his fame, Ludendorff reasoned, no one would dare fire on him. He even assured Hitler the police and the Army would likely join them.
Around 11 a.m. on November 9, a column of three thousand Nazis, led by Hitler, Goring and Ludendorff marched toward the centre of Munich and were confronted by several hundred armed Police forming a blockade. They refused to surrender and opened fire.
Hitler’s bodyguard, Ulrich Graf, jumped onto Hitler to shield him and took several bullets, probably saving Hitler’s life. Ludendorff, true to his heroic form, walked right through the line of fire to the police and was then arrested.
Hitler was later arrested and placed in a prison at Landsberg where his spirits lifted somewhat after he was told he was going to get a public trial.
So the so-called Nazi revolution collapsed in 1923. End of Mk. 3.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Gaza Holocaust.
A Clinical view of the rise of Adolf Hitler Mk. 4.
ReplyDeleteSource: The History Place http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/warone.htm I post this with the intention of pointing out that Hitler, besides being a brave and loyal soldier, eventually raised his chosen nation to greater heights than many of the exalted conquerors of history.
Hitler on trial for treason.
The trial of Adolf Hitler for high treason after the Beer Hall Putsch was not the end of Hitler’s political career as many had expected. In many ways marked the true beginning.
Overnight Hitler became a nationally and internationally known figure due to massive press coverage.
Hitler was allowed to use the courtroom as a propaganda platform from which he could speak at any length on his own behalf, interrupt others at any time and even cross examine witnesses.
“I alone bear the responsibility. But I am not a criminal because of that. If today I stand here as a revolutionary, it is as a revolutionary against the revolution. There is no such thing as high treason against the traitors of 1918”.
Newspapers quoted Hitler at length. Thus, for the first time, the German people as a whole had a chance to get acquainted with this man and his thinking. And many liked what they heard. He gave this closing statement:
“The man who is born to be a dictator is not compelled. He wills it. He is not driven forward, but drives himself. There is nothing immodest about this. Is it immodest for a worker to drive himself toward heavy labor? Is it presumptuous of a man with the high forehead of a thinker to ponder through the nights till he gives the world an invention? The man who feels called upon to govern a people has no right to say, ‘If you want me or summon me, I will cooperate.’ No! It is his duty to step forward. The army which we have now formed is growing by the day. I nourish the proud hope that one day the hour will come when these rough companies will grow to battalions, the battalions to regiments, the regiments to divisions, that the old cockade will be taken from the mud, that the old flags will wave again, that there will be a reconciliation at the last great divine judgment which we are prepared to face. For it is not you, gentlemen, who pass judgment on us. That judgment is spoken by the eternal court of history...Pronounce us guilty a thousand times over: the goddess of the eternal court of history will smile and tear to pieces the State Prosecutor’s submissions and the court’s verdict; for she acquits us.”
COMMENT: Whilst he was found guilty, his trial made him famous for trying to lift Germany from the ugly quagmire into which they were thrown. This, by a disastrous war that had already punished all participants enough for the stupid pride of the Kings, Tzars and Kaisers of that era.
Hitler was sentenced to five years, eligible for parole in six months. This man certainly was a charismatic orator determined to right a wrong that he and his countrymen considered an unforgiveable undeclared surrender of the German Military. End of Mk. 4.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Gaza Holocaust.
A Clinical view of the rise of Adolf Hitler. Mk. 5.
ReplyDeleteSource: The History Place. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/warone.htm I post this with the intention of pointing out that Hitler, besides being a brave and loyal soldier, eventually raised his chosen nation to greater heights than many of the exalted conquerors of history.
Hitler’s organising and the quiet years.
Hitler had a new idea on how to topple the government and take over Germany for himself and the Nazis – play the democratic rules and get elected. The Nazi Party would be organized like a government itself, so that when power was achieved and democracy was legitimately ended, this ‘government in waiting’ could slip right into place.
PO II – was designed to create the government in waiting, a highly organized Nazi government within the republic that would some day replace it. PO II even had its own departments of Agriculture, Economy, Interior, Foreign Affairs, Propaganda, Justice, along with Race and Culture.
For young people, the Hitler Jugend, or Hitler Youth was formed. It was for boys aged 15 to 18, and was modelled after the popular boy scout programs, Younger boys aged 10 to 15 could join the Deutsches Jungvolk. There was an organisation for girls called Bund Duetscher Maedel and for women, the Frauenschaften. At this time, within the SA, a highly disciplined guard unit was formed by Hitler that would be solely responsible to him and would serve as his personal body guard. It was called the Schutzstaffel, the staff guard or SS for short.
An American named Charles G. Dawes had drawn up a plan, approved by the Allies, that reduced German war reparations. The Dawes Plan stablized the German currency, the mark. The plan also provided for huge loans from America to help German industry rebuild.
The German Army had made its peace with the young republic. Although forbidden by the Treaty of Versailles to exceed 100,000 soldiers and denied modern equipment and planes, thousands of men existed in thinly veiled paramilitary organizations funded by the Army. The German General Staff, disbanded by the treaty, simply disguised itself among its troops. The Army was also secretly engaged in developing new technologies in Russian factories and was involved in training exercises with the Russian Army. [And with the Italian Air Force].
Amid all this, Adolf Hitler knew it was going to be slow going for his party which had counted so many unhappy, disgruntled men among its early members. But Hitler also had a sense that the good times would not last. The German republic was living on borrowed money and borrowed time. The underlying political and racial tensions he was so keen to exploit were still there, only dormant. And when the good times were over, they would once again come looking for him. But for now he just had to wait.
End of Mk. 5.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.webdiary-crippled.blogspot.com/ Demon Zionists.
It's not the courtroom Malcolm.
ReplyDeleteIt must be painfully obvious to the neo-cons that Turnbull's abilities are dependent on the procedures and theatre-like atmosphere of the Westminster courtroom.
For example – Malcolm says that he withdraws his libellous accusations against the Prime Minister and the Treasurer but, without apology! Fair dinkum.
As it is I am horrified by the possibility that attack dogs like Senator Abetz can escape charges over his criminal behaviour in the e-mail scam and its pre-meditated planning with the legal eagle Turnbull by just apologising.
Now it looks like the neo-con Minchin will ensure the matter is crushed even if it makes it to the privileges Committee with doctored and emasculated terms of reference. They claim that the Senate is there to “keep the bastards honest” – who is there to keep the Senators honest?
One of the biggest fears Australians should have had about Howard’s “New Order” was that some 18 of his government were solicitors.
Malcolm can and has, captured the theatrical atmosphere of the courtroom and exploited it many times. He is noted for his penchant for suing people on even the most basic of matters. He uses his knowledge of law to his own personal advantage with every atom of his being.
He has demonstrated that nothing is sacred to him in his insatiable desire to be the “King of all things”. Whatever we think about Kerry Packer, he was supposed to be Malcolm’s friend and benefactor but, Malcolm took the traitorous step in betraying Mr. Packer for his own notability.
The Labor opponent in his Federal election, one George Newhouse, who is a Jew - noted how much Malcolm is involved with the Jewish colleges, businesses and especially Goldman Sachs, so he called him the “wannabe Jew”. This relationship may well have helped him in the millionaire stakes.
But never mind Malcolm – hopefully he is on his way back to the courtroom theatre. As one famous Labor politician noted – “one day you are cock of the walk and the next you’re a feather duster!”
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/
A Clinical view of the rise of Adolf Hitler. Mk. 6.
ReplyDeleteSource: The History Place. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/warone.htm I post this with the intention of pointing out that Hitler, besides being a brave and loyal soldier, eventually raised his chosen nation to greater heights than many of the exalted conquerors of history.
The German people had already suffered enough through the sacrifices of WW 1 in lives and the subsequent brutalising caused by the Versailles Treaty - which was supposed to be a negotiated peace document but changed after hostilities ceased and the German Army had marched home to find their families starving.
Now, on Tuesday, October 29, 1929, the Wall Street stock market collapsed and sent financial markets worldwide into a tailspin with disastrous effects. The German economy was especially vulnerable since it was built out of foreign capital (as Hitler predicted) mostly loans from America and was very dependent on foreign trade. When those loans suddenly came due and when the world market for German exports dried up, the well oiled German industrial machine quickly ground to a halt.
The temporary quiet years, better living standards and savings accounts, the result of years of hard work, were instantly wiped out. Inflation soon followed making it hard for families to purchase expensive necessities with devalued money. Overnight, the middle class standard of living so many German families enjoyed was ruined by events outside of Germany, beyond their control. The Great Depression began and they were cast into poverty and deep misery and began looking for a solution, any solution.
Adolf Hitler knew his opportunity had arrived.
Since the failed Beer Hall Putsch in 1923, Hitler had changed tactics and was for the most part playing by the rules of democracy. Now he was determined to overthrow it legally by getting elected while at the same time building a Nazi shadow government that would one day replace the democracy.
Hitler counted among his supporters a number of German industrialists, and upper middle class socialites, a far cry from the semi-literate toughs he started with.
In March of 1930, Heinrich Bruening, a member of the Catholic Centre Party, became Chancellor. To break a bitter stalemate to his financial program, he went to President Hindenburg and asked the old gentleman to invoke Article 48 of the German constitution which gave emergency powers to the president to rule by decree. This provoked a huge outcry so, as a measure of last resort, Bruening asked Hindenburg in July 1930 to dissolve the Reichstag according to parliamentary rules and call for new elections.
The elections were set for September 14. Hitler and the Nazis sprang into action; their time for campaigning democratically had arrived.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.webdiary-libre.blogspot.com
A Clinical view of the rise of Adolf Hitler Mk.7.
ReplyDeleteSource: The History Place. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/warone.htm I post this with the intention of pointing out that Hitler, besides being a brave and loyal soldier, eventually raised his chosen nation to greater heights than many of the exalted conquerors of history.
Germans elect Nazis – September 14, 1930.
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis waged a modern whirlwind campaign in 1930 unlike anything ever seen in Germany. Hitler travelled the country delivering dozens of major speeches, attending meetings, shaking hands, signing autographs, posing for pictures, and even kissing babies. Joseph Goebbels brilliantly organized thousands of meetings, torchlight parades, plastered posters everywhere and printed millions of copies of special editions of Nazi newspaper.
Germany was in the grip of the Great Depression with a population suffering from poverty, misery, and uncertainty, amid increasing political instability.
His campaign appearances were carefully staged events. Hitler began each speech in low, hesitating tones, gradually raising the pitch and volume of his voice then exploding in a climax of frenzied indignation. He skilfully played on the emotions of the audience…he offered something to everyone; work to the unemployed, prosperity to failed business people, profits to industry, expansion to the Army, social harmony and an end of class distinctions to idealistic young students and restoration of German glory to those I despair.
He promised to bring order amid chaos, a feeling of unity to all and the chance to belong. He would make German strong again, end payment of war reparations to the Allies, tear up the treat of Versailles, stamp out corruption, keep down Marxism, and deal harshly with the Jews.
COMMENT: As far as I can determine from various records, Hitler kept every one of those proceeding promises and more. His infra-structure plans were admired by the world – he even developed a “people’s car” – the Volkswagen.
Hitler appealed to all classes of Germans. The name of the Nazi party itself was deliberately all inclusive – the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. All of the Nazis, from Hitler down to the leader of the smallest city block, worked tirelessly, relentlessly, to pound their message into the minds of all Germans.
On Election Day September 14, 1930, the Nazis received 6,371,000 votes, over eighteen percent of the total, and were thus entitled to 107 seats in the German Reichstag. It was a stunning victory for Hitler. It propelled Hitler to solid national and international prestige and aroused the curiosity of the world press. He was besieged with interview requests. Foreign journalists wanted to know – what did he mean – tear up the Treaty of Versailles and end war reparations?- and that German wasn’t responsible for the first World War? [Nor were they?]
In the Reichstag each Nazi member answered the roll call with “Present! Heil Hitler!”
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Gaza Holocaust.
A Clinical view of the rise of Adolf Hitler. Mk.8
ReplyDeleteSource: The History Place. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/warone.htm I post this with the intention of pointing out that Hitler, besides being a brave and loyal soldier, eventually raised his chosen nation to greater heights than many of the exalted conquerors of history.
Hitler Named Chancellor.
The President Paul von Hindenburg was kept waiting while Hitler and conservative leader Alfred Hugenberg argued over Hitler’s demand for new elections. It was the final argument in what had been a huge tangled web of political infighting and backstabbing that finally resulted in Adolf Hitler becoming Chancellor of Germany.
Germany was a nation that in its history had little experience or interest in democracy. In January 1933, Adolf Hitler took the reins of a 14 year old German democratic republic which in the minds of many had long outlived its usefulness. By this time the economic pressures of the Great Depression combined with the indecisive, self-serving nature of its elected politicians had brought government in Germany to a complete standstill. The people were without jobs, without food, quite afraid and desperate for relief.
Now, the man who had spent his entire political career denouncing and attempting to destroy the republic, was its leader. Around noon on January 30, Hitler was sworn in.
Franz von Papen was vice-chancellor….and he boasted to a political colleague; “Within two months we will have pushed Hitler so far in the corner that he’ll squeak”.
Papen and many non-Nazis thought having Hitler as Chancellor was to their advantage. Conservative members of the former aristocratic ruling class desired an end to the republic and a return to an authoritarian government that would restore Germany to glory and bring back their old privileges. For them, putting Hitler in power was just the first step toward achieving that goal.
Big bankers and industrialists, including Krupp and I.G. Farben, had lobbied Hindenburg and schemed behind the scenes on behalf of Hitler because they were convinced he would be good for business. He promised to be for free enterprise and keep down Communism and the trade union movements.
The Military also placed its bet on Hitler, believing his repeated promises to tear up the Treaty of Versailles and expand the Army and bring back its former glory.
The all had one thing in common – they underestimated Hitler.
On the evening of January 30, just about every member of the SA and SS turned out in uniform to celebrate new Fuhrer-Chancellor, Adolf Hitler. Carrying torches and singing the Horst Wessel song, they were cheered by thousands as they marched through the Brandenburg gate and along the Wilhelmstrasse to the presidential palace. Cops on the beat who used to give them trouble now wore swastika armbands and smiled at them. Everywhere was heard the rhythmic pounding beats of jackboots, drums and blaring military parade music.
When Hitler appeared in the beam of a spotlight, Hitler was greeted with an outpouring of worshipful adulation unlike anything ever seen before in Germany. Bismark, Frederick the Great, the Kaiser, had not seen this.
NE OUBLIE.
This will be cross-posted in http://www.yourdemocracy.net.au/ Gaza Holocaust.
Is money the root of all evil? Part 2.
ReplyDelete1948-1958.
The Jewish exodus from Arab lands. The combined population of Jewish communities in the Greater Middle East (excluding Israel) was reduced from about 900,000 in 1948 to less than 8,000 today. {I must interpose here because while these issues carry weight of truth, the latter is very misleading and I should suggest that the reduction in Jews in Arab Lands was significantly due to the massive increase in the Jews in occupied Palestine. In fact they are now in the plus region of 5 million – equal approximately to the US.)
1960-1989.
State-sponsored persecution in the Soviet Union prompted more than 1 million Soviet Jews to emigrate to Israel, 250,000 to the United States with refugee status and 100,000 to Germany.
COMMENT. I post this due to my respect for Gus and the Australian Jews who know right from wrong and are prepared to say so.
It should be remembered that while I believe these events actually happened, I still have my question as to WHY.
Could the reasons have anything to do with the Roman Catholic Church in so many nations of that faith? A typical religious bigotry that has caused so many wars? But then that would not be universal over those many centuries.
I keep zeroing in on Gold-n-Power - meaning that power is a product of wealth and, without any financial expertise, it seems to me that if a section of our community lends money at “usury” standards – there will always be resentment which could lead to government action to protect the citizens from themselves.
Not every government adopts that attitude of the Howard “New Order” that when the citizens accept the advertisements about “cheap” loans, it is their fault if they accept them. This little monster had no “duty of care” other than “everything is profit”.
But that is another story.
NE OUBLIE.
Recently I have been debating with an intelligent person on Your Democracy.
ReplyDeleteNo offence to that person but here is my last post.
As I have recently written, I believe that when the German people accepted Hitler and all of his publicised intentions, they became responsible for his actions – whether they subsequently agreed with them or not.
“The Government of a people is what they deserve” so to speak.
In February this year - after Webdiary had changed hands as I was informed by a Murdoch type of reliable source – I received an e-mail from the Editors. Its words were as follows:
Webdiary will not publish any comment by you that suggests that all Israelis are complicit in the unpleasant actions of their government. Such suggestions are not only silly, but also totally lacking in any understanding of the past and present history of the state of Israel, and verge, in our opinion, on the anti-Semitic.
We also reject out of hand any suggestion that the “voluntary editors” have been silenced by some more powerful force”. You might like to consult you legal advisor regarding the possible defamatory aspects of such a suggestion. (Emphasis added).
Strange that these people believe they already have the power to be “some powerful force” that I had the temerity to suggest!
Firstly Gus, as I have explained to you, my previous acceptance of Hebrew history was diametrically opposed to the behaviour of the Zionists – so, I began to genuinely research it, to overcome my supposed “lacking in any understanding of the past and present history of the state of Israel”! As a result of that research, I have formed my opinions and will stand by them no matter what veiled threats these fascists employ. The history is may I say, one so many stories, myths and claims only the faithful could accept.
My posts were even denied due to spelling and grammar errors! Finally I was honoured to become one of those who still believe in Australian freedom of speech by being disqualified from that group of fascist supporters.
So, since Australia is not yet completely controlled by the Jewish lobby, I repeat here and now, loud and clear, that I believe the Israelis themselves are just as guilty as the government they allow to continue the fascist brutalising; starving; evicting; bombing and generally massacring the people of Palestine - including those in the largest concentration camp in history – the Gaza Strip – and the poor fools in the West Bank who believed the Israelis really wanted peace.
Even Hitler had to put up with underground disagreement.
Cheers mate.God bless Australia.
NE OUBLIE.
Agreed, Ern, that the responsibility goes far beyond the actions of the so-called 'leaders;' actually as was told to us 'over there,' we the anti-wars, we the sheople and we the voters (all three versions referring to basically the same group) *are* (held) responsible for the actions of our government - despite, as we do, crying "not in my name!" In the case of Iraq (illegal invasion now morphed into brutal occupation), Afghanistan (ditto) - and especially so for Israel (different voter/racial base), IF the people in a so-called democracy collectively *cannot stop* the vile and criminal actions of their so-called 'leaders,' THEN the voters *are* collectively responsible - OR the democracy is non-functional.
ReplyDeleteSince the Zs continue to maintain and loudly assert things like "only democracy in the ME," it makes them, the collective voters in Israel *directly* responsible for their leaders' criminal actions - quite specifically, murdering theft of Palestinian lands (and that gruesomely, bloodily for 61+ years now, with no end in sight). Then, since they also maintain and loudly assert that Israel is a Jewish nation, then any who consider themselves Jewish (Israeli voters as already noted, PLUS the so-called 'Diaspora') are equally (criminally) responsible, if they fail to prevent the criminal Z-actions - as they evidently have done, for all of those same gruesome, bloody & criminal 61+ years and still no end in sight... QED.
There is a new UN report out, containing war crimes accusations against the Zs for their recent attack on Gaza. Funnily enough, the Zs are resisting the report's conclusions - but that's both nothing new and extremely curious. The Zs cannot simultaneously claim the UN as their founding authority, yet continuously and vilely violate UN law - as they *visibly* do. They (Jewish people everywhere) must have great talents - to be able to bald-face lie in the face of indisputable facts. More and similar discussion can be found here.
Not just BTW, any persons alleging "anti-Semitism" are considered by this writer to be mentally deficient.
G'day ID, This has been entered (with some variations) in Yourdemocracy.
ReplyDeleteG'day John Richardson,
Thank you for the link
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1115240.html
Very interesting indeed but, is it a case of “beware of Greeks bearing gifts”?
After all, the lengthy and “heartfelt” shame in the article “Disgrace in the Hague” could not have been better written than by one of the survivors of the Gaza Holocaust. As far as I can determine, the weapon most expected of the Zionists is deception and they are demonstrating this in every country where their financial power has given them disproportionate influence – like the U.S. and Australia.
It would not have surprised me if Gideon Levy had offered to placate the people who are horrified at what was done by saying “well we, the vigilant and independent free press of Israel consider that wrong was done and we apologize”! So now that is in the past eh?
I note your reference to “Zionist v Zionist” and recall a story of the Jews who were about to be captured on their mountain retreat by the Romans. They committed suicide kosher fashion but, the leader had opined that if the Romans had left them alone they would have eventually destroyed themselves.
I also appreciate the article re-visiting Vance Packard’s book The Hidden Persuaders which brings me to the matter of Mark Regev and the fact that this obscene liar was born in Australia. Does he, like Rupert Murdoch, have dual citizenship? And to which will he swear his allegiance?
When I was involved with Webdiary after it had been sold, one of the issues for which I was severely criticized was that I claimed the media elects or destroys governments. Your reference to Vance Packard’s book The Hidden Persuaders was an excellent and fitting expose of the power of the pen.
I particularly like the sentence: Packard revealed, “If people couldn’t discriminate reasonably, marketers reasoned, they should be assisted in discriminating unreasonably, in some easy, warm, emotional way”.
It occurs to me that the Zionists have no intention of allowing the Palestinians to regain any part of their land which the Jews have stolen. This group of US allies has ignored every criticism of the UN and have invaded the sovereignty of many nations to oppress the people. Will it also be a haven for international criminals of the Jewish race? An untouchable land of a traitorous race of Canaanite Arabs different only in their language.
The U.S. is as guilty as the amoral new Israeli government and it is long overdue for the countries, trying to climb out of the financial pit that the Jewish controlled Wall Street CEOs have dug for them, to come out openly against these two unholy terrorist nations.
Cheers ID. God bless Australia. NE OUBLIE.
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